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	<title>Comments on: XGW Digest: July 3, 2010</title>
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		<title>By: Signorile</title>
		<link>http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2010/07/xgw-digest-july-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-38567</link>
		<dc:creator>Signorile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all, whatever happened to all the promised reporting on Andrew Marin?  Looks like the 700 Club beat you to it, they love the guy!  How nice, huh?

Right Wing Watch and Truth Wins Out both have a lot to say on it.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/when-does-700-club-profile-gay-friendly-ministers

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/08/10549/

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&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moderator note&lt;/strong&gt;: moved to appropriate thread.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all, whatever happened to all the promised reporting on Andrew Marin?  Looks like the 700 Club beat you to it, they love the guy!  How nice, huh?</p>
<p>Right Wing Watch and Truth Wins Out both have a lot to say on it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/when-does-700-club-profile-gay-friendly-ministers" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/when-does-700-club-profile-gay-friendly-ministers</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/08/10549/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/08/10549/</a></p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
<em><strong>Moderator note</strong>: moved to appropriate thread.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve discussed it thoroughly, elsewhere.  And who said &quot;U SUCK&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve discussed it thoroughly, elsewhere.  And who said &#8220;U SUCK&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-38455&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@David Roberts &lt;/a&gt; 
you&#039;re right David, people should think before posting comments along the lines of &quot;U SUCK MY SIDE RULZ&quot; without a shred of critical explanation to back it up in some way. But &quot;whatev.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-38455" rel="nofollow">@David Roberts </a><br />
you&#8217;re right David, people should think before posting comments along the lines of &#8220;U SUCK MY SIDE RULZ&#8221; without a shred of critical explanation to back it up in some way. But &#8220;whatev.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would everyone please think twice before posting anything else to this already sour, old thread?  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would everyone please think twice before posting anything else to this already sour, old thread?  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-38453&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Emily K &lt;/a&gt; 

Really not sure what you&#039;re talking about, but whatev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-38453" rel="nofollow">@Emily K </a> </p>
<p>Really not sure what you&#8217;re talking about, but whatev.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-38443&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Evan Hurst &lt;/a&gt; 
Well you certainly have the same..uh.. &quot;style&quot; when it comes to &quot;calling people out.&quot; But at least he doesn&#039;t bring last year&#039;s memes out of the annals of /b/ into his posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-38443" rel="nofollow">@Evan Hurst </a><br />
Well you certainly have the same..uh.. &#8220;style&#8221; when it comes to &#8220;calling people out.&#8221; But at least he doesn&#8217;t bring last year&#8217;s memes out of the annals of /b/ into his posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Rattigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rattigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, folks, we haven&#039;t forgotten about the Marin story. There&#039;ll be some more coverage soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, folks, we haven&#8217;t forgotten about the Marin story. There&#8217;ll be some more coverage soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Team Signorile on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Team Signorile on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more post on this subject and then I&#039;ll shush about it for now.  There was a June Associated Press article on Bill Henson, founder of Fish on the Other Side (FOTOS).  He&#039;s described in the article as  having a similar approach to Andrew Marin (except Henson is described as a &quot;former homosexual&quot;).

Here&#039;s what the head of Wheaton College&#039;s student LGBT advocacy group, The Alliance, (yeah, I was surprised that Wheaton had an LGBT advocacy group too) had to say about Henson, the former homosexual:

Excerpt from the AP article:
Peter Szabo [the student head of the LGBT group] ... said he doesn&#039;t believe homosexuality is sinful, and was encouraged by Henson&#039;s ministry because it can open up faith to gays who reflexively see evangelicals as hostile. &quot;Some evangelicals would be like &#039;We&#039;ll accept you even though you are so low,&#039; Szabo said. &quot;But he says... in the eyes of God we&#039;re on the same level.&quot;

This young man is a perfect example of what these groups are trying to do.  The &quot;we&#039;re on the same level&quot; idea *still means* that these groups think that homosexuality is sinful.  They will not say it in a hostile way - in fact, like Marin, they may not say it all (at first).  And the young man is correct - unfortunately, this strategy will indeed &quot;open up faith to gays&quot; - the anti-gay kind.

Also in the article, Alan Chambers and Bob Stith - praise this approach (they&#039;re now using it too).

&lt;strong&gt;Moderator Edit:&lt;/strong&gt;  The article referenced can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Minister+aims+to+heal+evangelical+rift%20&amp;id=7405588&amp;instance=main_article&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more post on this subject and then I&#8217;ll shush about it for now.  There was a June Associated Press article on Bill Henson, founder of Fish on the Other Side (FOTOS).  He&#8217;s described in the article as  having a similar approach to Andrew Marin (except Henson is described as a &#8220;former homosexual&#8221;).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what the head of Wheaton College&#8217;s student LGBT advocacy group, The Alliance, (yeah, I was surprised that Wheaton had an LGBT advocacy group too) had to say about Henson, the former homosexual:</p>
<p>Excerpt from the AP article:<br />
Peter Szabo [the student head of the LGBT group] &#8230; said he doesn&#8217;t believe homosexuality is sinful, and was encouraged by Henson&#8217;s ministry because it can open up faith to gays who reflexively see evangelicals as hostile. &#8220;Some evangelicals would be like &#8216;We&#8217;ll accept you even though you are so low,&#8217; Szabo said. &#8220;But he says&#8230; in the eyes of God we&#8217;re on the same level.&#8221;</p>
<p>This young man is a perfect example of what these groups are trying to do.  The &#8220;we&#8217;re on the same level&#8221; idea *still means* that these groups think that homosexuality is sinful.  They will not say it in a hostile way &#8211; in fact, like Marin, they may not say it all (at first).  And the young man is correct &#8211; unfortunately, this strategy will indeed &#8220;open up faith to gays&#8221; &#8211; the anti-gay kind.</p>
<p>Also in the article, Alan Chambers and Bob Stith &#8211; praise this approach (they&#8217;re now using it too).</p>
<p><strong>Moderator Edit:</strong>  The article referenced can be found <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Minister+aims+to+heal+evangelical+rift%20&#038;id=7405588&#038;instance=main_article" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate all you have done, Michelangelo, to expose Andrew Marin&#039;s true intentions/agenda.  I&#039;ve learned of some new resources and information here that further validate my assessment of his book.  

David and Emily - I respect your opinions very much - I&#039;ve read your posts on many topics.  

I did wince, David, at your characterization of Michelangelo having &quot;animus&quot; toward all things religious (and I also think if Michelangelo didn&#039;t respect ExGay Watch, he wouldn&#039;t have bothered to defend himself here).  I&#039;ve been a fan of his ever since he was first outing people years ago and never got that sense at all.  Michelangelo has focused a lot on religion, because the source of (and/or the excuse for) most of animus against our community is religion.

Emily, I also think that Marin (and other more subtle anti-gay figures) is worthy of paying attention to, as much as those who are more overtly anti-gay, because they are actively seeking (and possibly getting) the endorsement of some members of our community, who are being misled into thinking they aren&#039;t anti-gay.  They are also way more effective than overt homophobes in preying on vulunerable people who are struggling with reconciling their sexual orientation and their religious beliefs (and I think many in the ex-gay movement are using his model as their playbook - in fact, I learned about Marin because his book was endorsed by an ex-gay therapist).

If you look at how some anti-gay organizations have changed over time, they are taking lessons from this model (the book really lays it out - the steps of engaging with the gay community) so they appear less hateful - the ex-gay movement teaches these things too. This makes them more effective in &quot;reaching us&quot; because they are teaching/learning how to talk to LGBT people so that our guard doesn&#039;t go up and they can have influence on us.  This is what makes them especially dangerous.

I&#039;ve been very disappointed when I see Marin (and others who are doing or promoting ex-gay therapy) getting even lukewarm approval from some in our community.  I don&#039;t think the Marins are any less dangerous than the Gallaghers or even the Phelpses.  They&#039;re all dangerous in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate all you have done, Michelangelo, to expose Andrew Marin&#8217;s true intentions/agenda.  I&#8217;ve learned of some new resources and information here that further validate my assessment of his book.  </p>
<p>David and Emily &#8211; I respect your opinions very much &#8211; I&#8217;ve read your posts on many topics.  </p>
<p>I did wince, David, at your characterization of Michelangelo having &#8220;animus&#8221; toward all things religious (and I also think if Michelangelo didn&#8217;t respect ExGay Watch, he wouldn&#8217;t have bothered to defend himself here).  I&#8217;ve been a fan of his ever since he was first outing people years ago and never got that sense at all.  Michelangelo has focused a lot on religion, because the source of (and/or the excuse for) most of animus against our community is religion.</p>
<p>Emily, I also think that Marin (and other more subtle anti-gay figures) is worthy of paying attention to, as much as those who are more overtly anti-gay, because they are actively seeking (and possibly getting) the endorsement of some members of our community, who are being misled into thinking they aren&#8217;t anti-gay.  They are also way more effective than overt homophobes in preying on vulunerable people who are struggling with reconciling their sexual orientation and their religious beliefs (and I think many in the ex-gay movement are using his model as their playbook &#8211; in fact, I learned about Marin because his book was endorsed by an ex-gay therapist).</p>
<p>If you look at how some anti-gay organizations have changed over time, they are taking lessons from this model (the book really lays it out &#8211; the steps of engaging with the gay community) so they appear less hateful &#8211; the ex-gay movement teaches these things too. This makes them more effective in &#8220;reaching us&#8221; because they are teaching/learning how to talk to LGBT people so that our guard doesn&#8217;t go up and they can have influence on us.  This is what makes them especially dangerous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been very disappointed when I see Marin (and others who are doing or promoting ex-gay therapy) getting even lukewarm approval from some in our community.  I don&#8217;t think the Marins are any less dangerous than the Gallaghers or even the Phelpses.  They&#8217;re all dangerous in different ways.</p>
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