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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ex-gay is a political and/or religious orientation, not a sexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ex-gay is a political and/or religious orientation, not a sexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Yet this novel ex-gay “orientation” proposed by PFOX rarely exists without setting itself explicitly in opposition to the lives, loves and relationship of gay men and women.
&lt;/em&gt;
and it&#039;s also not found anywhere in nature or biology, whereas homosexuality, and homosexual pairings ARE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Yet this novel ex-gay “orientation” proposed by PFOX rarely exists without setting itself explicitly in opposition to the lives, loves and relationship of gay men and women.<br />
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and it&#8217;s also not found anywhere in nature or biology, whereas homosexuality, and homosexual pairings ARE.</p>
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		<title>By: Rog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>98% of Disney Stock Shareholders voted against PFOX Resolution... Enough Said, buzz off PFOX, get over it, normal folks aren&#039;t buying PFOX Propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>98% of Disney Stock Shareholders voted against PFOX Resolution&#8230; Enough Said, buzz off PFOX, get over it, normal folks aren&#8217;t buying PFOX Propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um....there is being excluded in WRITTEN policy, and there is being excluded, discriminated against or threatened through PUBLIC accommodation.

      There really IS no EXPLICIT category in a written policy that an ex gay fits into because it&#039;s so NON SPECIFIC. There is no need for an EXCLUSIVE category. 

   You&#039;re either gay or not, sexually active or not, and no public accommodation can WRITE celibate or not gay into a policy. It&#039;s more a state of mind, rather than a social state where there is a history of exclusion BASED on that situation.   How would anyone know you&#039;re ex gay unless you tell them, and WHEN, on disclosing that, suddenly you&#039;re barred from public access?

       There are all sorts of places that don&#039;t allow preaching and prostelytizing. Theme parks in particular, who have ALL inclusive policies in place,  don&#039;t allow anyone to promote their RELIGIOUS PRACTICES and beliefs in those venues.
 You can BE whatever religion you want, of course. You can&#039;t say it&#039;s better or more desirable than anyone else&#039;s, or that you&#039;re a BETTER person because of that religion than other people sharing the venue and you can&#039;t use someone else&#039;s turf to say so.

      You&#039;re not ABUSED by being treated like everyone ELSE is.
  
  I worked in Universal Studios Hollywood for years.  No visitors are allowed to abuse each other or USH personnel, and certainly no personnel can do so to visitors.

      
  PFOX trivializes the meaning of discrimination and respect for coexistence. They are such whiny pants wetters, no wonder they don&#039;t know how to STAND UP for those truly confronted with injustice from day to day.

  I don&#039;t even know how they expect ordinary mortals to a MINDSET into a contract or how to ENFORCE it.

    How can you demand this kind of accommodation, when you have none for other people?
These are the most contradictory, hypocritical and mind numbingly SELF involved and SELFISH people I&#039;ve ever seen.
And that&#039;s the point, how can you write CONTRADICTIONS into a policy of public accommodation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;.there is being excluded in WRITTEN policy, and there is being excluded, discriminated against or threatened through PUBLIC accommodation.</p>
<p>      There really IS no EXPLICIT category in a written policy that an ex gay fits into because it&#8217;s so NON SPECIFIC. There is no need for an EXCLUSIVE category. </p>
<p>   You&#8217;re either gay or not, sexually active or not, and no public accommodation can WRITE celibate or not gay into a policy. It&#8217;s more a state of mind, rather than a social state where there is a history of exclusion BASED on that situation.   How would anyone know you&#8217;re ex gay unless you tell them, and WHEN, on disclosing that, suddenly you&#8217;re barred from public access?</p>
<p>       There are all sorts of places that don&#8217;t allow preaching and prostelytizing. Theme parks in particular, who have ALL inclusive policies in place,  don&#8217;t allow anyone to promote their RELIGIOUS PRACTICES and beliefs in those venues.<br />
 You can BE whatever religion you want, of course. You can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s better or more desirable than anyone else&#8217;s, or that you&#8217;re a BETTER person because of that religion than other people sharing the venue and you can&#8217;t use someone else&#8217;s turf to say so.</p>
<p>      You&#8217;re not ABUSED by being treated like everyone ELSE is.</p>
<p>  I worked in Universal Studios Hollywood for years.  No visitors are allowed to abuse each other or USH personnel, and certainly no personnel can do so to visitors.</p>
<p>  PFOX trivializes the meaning of discrimination and respect for coexistence. They are such whiny pants wetters, no wonder they don&#8217;t know how to STAND UP for those truly confronted with injustice from day to day.</p>
<p>  I don&#8217;t even know how they expect ordinary mortals to a MINDSET into a contract or how to ENFORCE it.</p>
<p>    How can you demand this kind of accommodation, when you have none for other people?<br />
These are the most contradictory, hypocritical and mind numbingly SELF involved and SELFISH people I&#8217;ve ever seen.<br />
And that&#8217;s the point, how can you write CONTRADICTIONS into a policy of public accommodation?</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Marriage Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unbelievable: PFOX Says &#8220;Ex-Gays&#8221; Have &#8220;Second-Class Status&#8221;, Tries to Get them Included in Non-Discrimination Policy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Marriage Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unbelievable: PFOX Says &#8220;Ex-Gays&#8221; Have &#8220;Second-Class Status&#8221;, Tries to Get them Included in Non-Discrimination Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;PFOX has documented numerous incidents of intolerance against the ex-gay community. Ex-gays and their supporters are subject to an increasingly hostile environment because they live out or support a different view of homosexuality.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Oh yes, really? Is the documentation accessible, and if so, where? I want to know about the documented cases of people being sacked from their jobs because it has come to light that, although they were once gay, they have now apparently become heterosexual or asexual. I want to see the documentary evidence concerning gangs of gay thugs who prowl around the town looking for former homosexuals to beat up. I want to read the authenticated stories of those who have been disowned by their families because they have abandoned “the gay lifestyle”. I want to know all about the school pupils and university students who are being teased and bullied because it is known or suspected that they have “overcome their same sex attractions”.

Ex-gay claims are treated with increasingly severe scepticism – and rightly so, in my view – but scepticism is &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; intolerance.

I am convinced that Marlene is correct: what these ex-gay activists really want are &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;special rights&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, viz. the right to harass gays, especially those who are still coming to terms with their natural orientation, by bombarding them with ex-gay literature and nagging at them; and the right to complain that the “ex-gay orientation” is being discriminated against when they are firmly told that this nuisance must now cease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>PFOX has documented numerous incidents of intolerance against the ex-gay community. Ex-gays and their supporters are subject to an increasingly hostile environment because they live out or support a different view of homosexuality.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yes, really? Is the documentation accessible, and if so, where? I want to know about the documented cases of people being sacked from their jobs because it has come to light that, although they were once gay, they have now apparently become heterosexual or asexual. I want to see the documentary evidence concerning gangs of gay thugs who prowl around the town looking for former homosexuals to beat up. I want to read the authenticated stories of those who have been disowned by their families because they have abandoned “the gay lifestyle”. I want to know all about the school pupils and university students who are being teased and bullied because it is known or suspected that they have “overcome their same sex attractions”.</p>
<p>Ex-gay claims are treated with increasingly severe scepticism – and rightly so, in my view – but scepticism is <em><strong>not </strong></em> intolerance.</p>
<p>I am convinced that Marlene is correct: what these ex-gay activists really want are <em><strong>special rights</strong></em>, viz. the right to harass gays, especially those who are still coming to terms with their natural orientation, by bombarding them with ex-gay literature and nagging at them; and the right to complain that the “ex-gay orientation” is being discriminated against when they are firmly told that this nuisance must now cease.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, here&#039;s another example of the religious reicht wanting *special rights* in order to shove their hate and bigotry in everyone&#039;s faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, here&#8217;s another example of the religious reicht wanting *special rights* in order to shove their hate and bigotry in everyone&#8217;s faces.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very concise, Dave.  You illustrated my own thoughts on this nicely, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very concise, Dave.  You illustrated my own thoughts on this nicely, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Siglind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siglind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason they want to add it is because they know an ex-gay is not straight, but a homosexual who acts like a heterosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason they want to add it is because they know an ex-gay is not straight, but a homosexual who acts like a heterosexual.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being supposedly &#039;ex-gay&#039; or &#039;formerly homosexual&#039; or whatever one wishes to term it is not a sexual orientation at all.  It is [primarily] a religious viewpoint.   As such it is protected under tolerance of religion and need not be included as PFOX would have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being supposedly &#8216;ex-gay&#8217; or &#8216;formerly homosexual&#8217; or whatever one wishes to term it is not a sexual orientation at all.  It is [primarily] a religious viewpoint.   As such it is protected under tolerance of religion and need not be included as PFOX would have it.</p>
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