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	<title>Comments on: Exodus President Joins Anti-Gay Extremists for Conference</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Chambers seems to me to be supremely self interested.  He will do whatever he thinks will improve his own position as well as that of Exodus (politically, financially, by reputtation, etc.)

He has alliances and can only get money from right wing religious groups, so he will most certainly speak at their conferences and play the role of good little gay who has seen the light, playing heterosexual for the public.  He has also managed so far to avoid any embarrassing sexual scandals, which is quite the achievement given his position and Exodus&#039; history.

His position requires him to be dishonest, which he is willing to do.  He will occaisionally act honorably, if pushed into a corner and given no other real choice.

I don&#039;t think that he hates gay people, but I don&#039;t think he is at all fond of those of us who call him on his dishonesty, and his double-speak.  If not for the necessity to continue to draw in donations, I am not convinced that Alan Chambers would bother with much of his anti-gay political schtick.  But he knows that if he gave up his anti-gay political activities, he and Exodus would become irrelevant.  There would be no donations.  There would be no organization.  There would be no exalted title.  There would be no radio or TV appearances.  There would be no job.  Nobody would care about Alan Chambers.

Being President of Exodus is extremely important to Alan Chambers, and he will do whatever he can to keep this train going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Chambers seems to me to be supremely self interested.  He will do whatever he thinks will improve his own position as well as that of Exodus (politically, financially, by reputtation, etc.)</p>
<p>He has alliances and can only get money from right wing religious groups, so he will most certainly speak at their conferences and play the role of good little gay who has seen the light, playing heterosexual for the public.  He has also managed so far to avoid any embarrassing sexual scandals, which is quite the achievement given his position and Exodus&#8217; history.</p>
<p>His position requires him to be dishonest, which he is willing to do.  He will occaisionally act honorably, if pushed into a corner and given no other real choice.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that he hates gay people, but I don&#8217;t think he is at all fond of those of us who call him on his dishonesty, and his double-speak.  If not for the necessity to continue to draw in donations, I am not convinced that Alan Chambers would bother with much of his anti-gay political schtick.  But he knows that if he gave up his anti-gay political activities, he and Exodus would become irrelevant.  There would be no donations.  There would be no organization.  There would be no exalted title.  There would be no radio or TV appearances.  There would be no job.  Nobody would care about Alan Chambers.</p>
<p>Being President of Exodus is extremely important to Alan Chambers, and he will do whatever he can to keep this train going.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When are you going to believe that Chambers and Exodus have no morals, no sense of decency and no honesty. They exist solely for the purpose of hurting gays who live openly and courageously in this world. That is the only tru goal of Alan Chambers: to cause as much pain as possible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree strongly with Alan on many things, and with Exodus&#039; mission in general, but I think your description goes too far.  It may be easier to paint some people with a brush of abject evil than to view their beliefs and actions with a little perspective, but the former is apt to cause a lot of collateral damage and little understanding.  Just look at how GLBTs have been treated by much of the Church and you will find an excellent example of just that.

I have no doubts about the damage done by Exodus or their usefulness to a lot of worse people as a &quot;proof of concept.&quot;  And I realize they probably won&#039;t listen unless their image is in danger.  But I don&#039;t think Alan is amoral or purposely trying to hurt gays -- certainly not for the sake of doing so.  And saying that he is or does just causes those who do see the difference to tune us out as extremists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When are you going to believe that Chambers and Exodus have no morals, no sense of decency and no honesty. They exist solely for the purpose of hurting gays who live openly and courageously in this world. That is the only tru goal of Alan Chambers: to cause as much pain as possible.</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree strongly with Alan on many things, and with Exodus&#8217; mission in general, but I think your description goes too far.  It may be easier to paint some people with a brush of abject evil than to view their beliefs and actions with a little perspective, but the former is apt to cause a lot of collateral damage and little understanding.  Just look at how GLBTs have been treated by much of the Church and you will find an excellent example of just that.</p>
<p>I have no doubts about the damage done by Exodus or their usefulness to a lot of worse people as a &#8220;proof of concept.&#8221;  And I realize they probably won&#8217;t listen unless their image is in danger.  But I don&#8217;t think Alan is amoral or purposely trying to hurt gays &#8212; certainly not for the sake of doing so.  And saying that he is or does just causes those who do see the difference to tune us out as extremists.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are you going to believe that Chambers and Exodus have no morals, no sense of decency and no honesty. They exist solely for the purpose of hurting gays who live openly and courageously in this world. That is the only tru goal of Alan Chambers: to cause as much pain as possible.

When are you going to believe that there is no bridges to be built here. Thay will happily make sure that you fall off the bridge to the abyss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are you going to believe that Chambers and Exodus have no morals, no sense of decency and no honesty. They exist solely for the purpose of hurting gays who live openly and courageously in this world. That is the only tru goal of Alan Chambers: to cause as much pain as possible.</p>
<p>When are you going to believe that there is no bridges to be built here. Thay will happily make sure that you fall off the bridge to the abyss.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben is absolutely right...they would have to think.  Having come from their ranks myself, there is no objective research into issues.  There&#039;s simply to figure out what they think the Bible says about something, assume inerrancy, and then go from there and interpret everything in that light.  The evangelical/fundamentalists don&#039;t have any interest in dialogue, but only to blindly follow their understanding of the Bible and they believe, because they possess &quot;God&#039;s truth&quot; that they are justified in saying these thing, because REGARDLESS of what the social science data shows, these other so called &quot;facts&quot; line up with their theology and since the Bible can&#039;t be wrong, then they simply go with that, ignore the rest, and believe they&#039;re &quot;telling the truth in love&quot; regardless of how shamefully destructive the disinformation they spread really is.  After all, &quot;God said, I believe it, that settles it&quot; right?  How blinding such a belief about one&#039;s sacred book can really be! Not to mention, dangerous.

There is NO objective attempt to determine the nature of reality with these people, simply a theological assumption followed by what we in psychology call the confirmation bias - seeking out evidence simply to justify your preconceived ideas.  It&#039;s sad that thousands of young people, many of whom have a desire to make an impact in government, are being trained at this school.  Truly the blind leading the blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben is absolutely right&#8230;they would have to think.  Having come from their ranks myself, there is no objective research into issues.  There&#8217;s simply to figure out what they think the Bible says about something, assume inerrancy, and then go from there and interpret everything in that light.  The evangelical/fundamentalists don&#8217;t have any interest in dialogue, but only to blindly follow their understanding of the Bible and they believe, because they possess &#8220;God&#8217;s truth&#8221; that they are justified in saying these thing, because REGARDLESS of what the social science data shows, these other so called &#8220;facts&#8221; line up with their theology and since the Bible can&#8217;t be wrong, then they simply go with that, ignore the rest, and believe they&#8217;re &#8220;telling the truth in love&#8221; regardless of how shamefully destructive the disinformation they spread really is.  After all, &#8220;God said, I believe it, that settles it&#8221; right?  How blinding such a belief about one&#8217;s sacred book can really be! Not to mention, dangerous.</p>
<p>There is NO objective attempt to determine the nature of reality with these people, simply a theological assumption followed by what we in psychology call the confirmation bias &#8211; seeking out evidence simply to justify your preconceived ideas.  It&#8217;s sad that thousands of young people, many of whom have a desire to make an impact in government, are being trained at this school.  Truly the blind leading the blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Those struggling with same-sex attractions need understanding and hope for a life without conflict&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Would Alan really say his ex-gay life is without conflict?! At what point does nuance and doublespeak become lies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those struggling with same-sex attractions need understanding and hope for a life without conflict</p></blockquote>
<p>Would Alan really say his ex-gay life is without conflict?! At what point does nuance and doublespeak become lies?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you gave him a piece of your mind, then he would actually have to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you gave him a piece of your mind, then he would actually have to think.</p>
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		<title>By: College Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>College Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely horrible, and to think that I&#039;ll be visiting friends in Lynchburg just a few weeks later.  I would love to be able to be there during the conference and meet him and give him a piece of my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely horrible, and to think that I&#8217;ll be visiting friends in Lynchburg just a few weeks later.  I would love to be able to be there during the conference and meet him and give him a piece of my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Chambers is utterly amoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Chambers is utterly amoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonardo Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly goose, I wouldn´t trample on anyones individual right to despise, fear and loath me (throw in abominate, abuse and persecute too)...it´s the MURDERING of people like me that gets my goat!  Crimes of hate directed against LGBT people are initiate by the puffed up preach of you, you hypocrit! My lovedone was murdered by the likes of YOU and other self-righteous liars who were incapable of being honest with themselves (never mind LGBT people or anyone else)...keep talking, round and round you go until the final ARROGANCE and your ignorance will FALL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly goose, I wouldn´t trample on anyones individual right to despise, fear and loath me (throw in abominate, abuse and persecute too)&#8230;it´s the MURDERING of people like me that gets my goat!  Crimes of hate directed against LGBT people are initiate by the puffed up preach of you, you hypocrit! My lovedone was murdered by the likes of YOU and other self-righteous liars who were incapable of being honest with themselves (never mind LGBT people or anyone else)&#8230;keep talking, round and round you go until the final ARROGANCE and your ignorance will FALL!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2010/02/exodus-president-joins-anti-gay-extremists-for-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-35530</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The broader homosexual agenda has politicized radicalism of homosexuality that is aggressive and intent on trampling upon the fundamental freedoms of anyone who may disapprove.&quot;

Leave me alone=intent on trampling upon the fundamental freedoms of others.

Aggressive=your standing up to my bigotry. aren&#039;t you supposed to be a sissy?

Do these people EVER do a reality check?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The broader homosexual agenda has politicized radicalism of homosexuality that is aggressive and intent on trampling upon the fundamental freedoms of anyone who may disapprove.&#8221;</p>
<p>Leave me alone=intent on trampling upon the fundamental freedoms of others.</p>
<p>Aggressive=your standing up to my bigotry. aren&#8217;t you supposed to be a sissy?</p>
<p>Do these people EVER do a reality check?</p>
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