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	<title>Comments on: Jenkins Seeks Help From Police, Court, Public To Locate Daughter Isabella</title>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2010/01/jenkins-seeks-help-from-police-court-public-to-locate-daughter-isabella/comment-page-1/#comment-35322</link>
		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Despite popular myths, this information is not surprising given the high level of discrimination experienced by gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, who come from all sectors of society, without regard to economic status, and experience discrimination that may at times affect their earning power,&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/IncomeInflationMyth.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Income Inflation Myth&lt;/a&gt; (PDF)

The link you provided is from an advertising group wishing to prove a new market to advertisers -- hardly authoritative.  Part of their source info comes from 50 year old data?

Elizabeth said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In VA Judge Parsons awarded Sharon’s mother custody of Sharon’s son because he deemed Sharon’s lesbian lifestyle “immoral”. That’s a very, very dangerous precedent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And what kind of precedent would be set by allowing parents to flaunt visitation orders by the courts?  This situation took years to develop and can hardly be blamed on a judge you consider to be &quot;dumber-than-dirt short-sighted.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Despite popular myths, this information is not surprising given the high level of discrimination experienced by gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, who come from all sectors of society, without regard to economic status, and experience discrimination that may at times affect their earning power,</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/IncomeInflationMyth.pdf" rel="nofollow">Income Inflation Myth</a> (PDF)</p>
<p>The link you provided is from an advertising group wishing to prove a new market to advertisers &#8212; hardly authoritative.  Part of their source info comes from 50 year old data?</p>
<p>Elizabeth said:</p>
<blockquote><p>In VA Judge Parsons awarded Sharon’s mother custody of Sharon’s son because he deemed Sharon’s lesbian lifestyle “immoral”. That’s a very, very dangerous precedent.</p></blockquote>
<p>And what kind of precedent would be set by allowing parents to flaunt visitation orders by the courts?  This situation took years to develop and can hardly be blamed on a judge you consider to be &#8220;dumber-than-dirt short-sighted.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Judge Cohen, he has only the law to rely on.  He does his job, and the Supreme Courts of both Vermont and Virginia agree that his decision is legal, binding and will not be reversed.  The US Supreme Court doesn&#039;t even want to hear this case, because it is obvious on it&#039;s face that there is nothing for them to address.

Ms Conley, perhaps Judge Cohen isn&#039;t the one who is dumber than dirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Judge Cohen, he has only the law to rely on.  He does his job, and the Supreme Courts of both Vermont and Virginia agree that his decision is legal, binding and will not be reversed.  The US Supreme Court doesn&#8217;t even want to hear this case, because it is obvious on it&#8217;s face that there is nothing for them to address.</p>
<p>Ms Conley, perhaps Judge Cohen isn&#8217;t the one who is dumber than dirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Conley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Conley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cohen is not the only dumber-than-dirt short-sighted judge in the world.

Remember Sharon Bottoms?  In VA Judge Parsons  awarded Sharon&#039;s mother custody of Sharon&#039;s son because he deemed Sharon&#039;s lesbian lifestyle &quot;immoral&quot;.  That&#039;s a very, very dangerous precedent.  

Think how much more dangerous Judge Parsons would be if he could select any number of &quot;more virtuous&quot; unrelated parties to be a &quot;better&quot; custodian for a child than the child&#039;s parent/s?

Like I wrote earlier:  think.

Please think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cohen is not the only dumber-than-dirt short-sighted judge in the world.</p>
<p>Remember Sharon Bottoms?  In VA Judge Parsons  awarded Sharon&#8217;s mother custody of Sharon&#8217;s son because he deemed Sharon&#8217;s lesbian lifestyle &#8220;immoral&#8221;.  That&#8217;s a very, very dangerous precedent.  </p>
<p>Think how much more dangerous Judge Parsons would be if he could select any number of &#8220;more virtuous&#8221; unrelated parties to be a &#8220;better&#8221; custodian for a child than the child&#8217;s parent/s?</p>
<p>Like I wrote earlier:  think.</p>
<p>Please think.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Conley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Conley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.rainbowreferrals.com/sponsors/statistic.asp

Reality is more interesting than anything the ideologues can dream up.

There are important issues of individual and corporate well-being that frankly dwarf the gay marriage vs traditional family debate.  

While ideologues focus on the noisy, smaller issues, more important issues of child rights, parental rights and state rights are being determined without the general population ever being aware of the high stakes.

All Americans need to understand that partisan bickering is not helpful in establishing a safe environment for all children, all parents and all families, regardless of race, wealth, education, theology or sexual preference.  

Janet Jenkins isn&#039;t Isabella&#039;s parent, and the state should not be taking Isabella from her parent and bestowing her on a third party unless it is in Isabella&#039;s best interests.  The court appointed (yes, this person was selected by Cohen) child advocate warned Judge Cohen that this transfer of custody was definitely not in Isabella&#039;s best interests.   

Therefore we have two departures from appropriate child custody policies that should alarm all people, regardless of demographics and personal passions.  

1.  Children belong with their parents unless the parents are unfit.

2.  Children&#039;s well-being is of paramount concern in determining custody issues.

Do you really, really want these two departures from traditional custody decisions to become the new norm?  

Think.  Look at the big picture.  

Does this benefit the gay and lesbian population?

Really?  

I predict that these two departures from appropriate custody decision making practices will devastate the gay and lesbian families you want to protect.

If Judge Cohen&#039;s bad custody decision is not overturned, the results will reach far beyond Janet Jenkins, Lisa Miller, Isabella and the small, insignificant, short-sighted public debate over Vermont-style gay and lesbian civil unions.</description>
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<p>Reality is more interesting than anything the ideologues can dream up.</p>
<p>There are important issues of individual and corporate well-being that frankly dwarf the gay marriage vs traditional family debate.  </p>
<p>While ideologues focus on the noisy, smaller issues, more important issues of child rights, parental rights and state rights are being determined without the general population ever being aware of the high stakes.</p>
<p>All Americans need to understand that partisan bickering is not helpful in establishing a safe environment for all children, all parents and all families, regardless of race, wealth, education, theology or sexual preference.  </p>
<p>Janet Jenkins isn&#8217;t Isabella&#8217;s parent, and the state should not be taking Isabella from her parent and bestowing her on a third party unless it is in Isabella&#8217;s best interests.  The court appointed (yes, this person was selected by Cohen) child advocate warned Judge Cohen that this transfer of custody was definitely not in Isabella&#8217;s best interests.   </p>
<p>Therefore we have two departures from appropriate child custody policies that should alarm all people, regardless of demographics and personal passions.  </p>
<p>1.  Children belong with their parents unless the parents are unfit.</p>
<p>2.  Children&#8217;s well-being is of paramount concern in determining custody issues.</p>
<p>Do you really, really want these two departures from traditional custody decisions to become the new norm?  </p>
<p>Think.  Look at the big picture.  </p>
<p>Does this benefit the gay and lesbian population?</p>
<p>Really?  </p>
<p>I predict that these two departures from appropriate custody decision making practices will devastate the gay and lesbian families you want to protect.</p>
<p>If Judge Cohen&#8217;s bad custody decision is not overturned, the results will reach far beyond Janet Jenkins, Lisa Miller, Isabella and the small, insignificant, short-sighted public debate over Vermont-style gay and lesbian civil unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Elizabeth Conley can&#039;t provide a source for statistics, what she says about &quot;knowing the demographic&quot; of gays and lesbians is a lie and should be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Elizabeth Conley can&#8217;t provide a source for statistics, what she says about &#8220;knowing the demographic&#8221; of gays and lesbians is a lie and should be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Conley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Conley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You started your comment complaining that Ben made assumptions about you, then appear to do the same.&quot;

Nope, I&#039;m merely well acquainted with the demographic&#039;s statistics.

That&#039;s the stats.  As a population, gays and lesbians do well educationally and professionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You started your comment complaining that Ben made assumptions about you, then appear to do the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, I&#8217;m merely well acquainted with the demographic&#8217;s statistics.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the stats.  As a population, gays and lesbians do well educationally and professionally.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Her story is completely devoid of any sense of personal responsibilty or supporting herself. This was a puff piece supposed to make Miller look good. It just made me that much sadder for the kid that is caught in the middle of this selfish, irresponsible character who is trying to paint herself as some sort of martyr. There is a martyr in this story, and it is the little kid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I thought the same thing -- very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Her story is completely devoid of any sense of personal responsibilty or supporting herself. This was a puff piece supposed to make Miller look good. It just made me that much sadder for the kid that is caught in the middle of this selfish, irresponsible character who is trying to paint herself as some sort of martyr. There is a martyr in this story, and it is the little kid.</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought the same thing &#8212; very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;As a population, homosexuals are better educated and more affluent then heterosexuals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This statement is incorrect. 

It has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2007/10/jewish-ex-gay-group-ignorant-of-allys-nazi-rhetoric/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;used against Jews&lt;/a&gt; before as well, most prominently during the anti-Semitic genocide of Fascist Europe. In that context it is also incorrect.

If being gay (or Jewish) is supposed to mean you have a ticket to affluence, why am I struggling to make ends meet and on Food Stamps? Why are none of my gay friends driving BMWs and Mercedes&#039;? Why are they struggling to pay off student loans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth said:</p>
<blockquote><p>As a population, homosexuals are better educated and more affluent then heterosexuals.</p></blockquote>
<p>This statement is incorrect. </p>
<p>It has been <a href="http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2007/10/jewish-ex-gay-group-ignorant-of-allys-nazi-rhetoric/" rel="nofollow">used against Jews</a> before as well, most prominently during the anti-Semitic genocide of Fascist Europe. In that context it is also incorrect.</p>
<p>If being gay (or Jewish) is supposed to mean you have a ticket to affluence, why am I struggling to make ends meet and on Food Stamps? Why are none of my gay friends driving BMWs and Mercedes&#8217;? Why are they struggling to pay off student loans?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, for folks interested in the characters in this case, I would actually recommend reading Lisa Miller&#039;s interview with Lifesitenews  http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08102707.html

I realize that right wingers have referred to it, and David Roberts is highly critical of this site.  While I ignored Lisa&#039;s unfounded accusations against Janet, I found it remarkable how the story that Lisa Miller tells about her own life is completely devoid of personal responsibility.

Her drug abuse is blamed on her parents.  Her alcoholism is blamed on her husband.  Her suicide attempt is blamed on her husband.  Her stay in a mental hospital after the suicide attempt is blamed on the State of Virginia.  Her lesbianism is blamed on the employees of the mental hospital.  Her relationship problems with Jenkins are blamed on Jenkins.  Her flight from Vermont is blamed on Jenkins.  Her legal problems are blamed on the Judge Cohen.  And her current flight from justice is blamed on Judge Cohen and Ms. Jenkins.

Further, she seems to be supported by her parents, then her husband, then back to her mother, then Jenkins, then the Fallwell church.  

Her story is completely devoid of any sense of personal responsibilty or supporting herself.  This was a puff piece supposed to make Miller look good.  It just made me that much sadder for the kid that is caught in the middle of this selfish, irresponsible character who is trying to paint herself as some sort of martyr.  There is a martyr in this story, and it is the little kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, for folks interested in the characters in this case, I would actually recommend reading Lisa Miller&#8217;s interview with Lifesitenews  <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08102707.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08102707.html</a></p>
<p>I realize that right wingers have referred to it, and David Roberts is highly critical of this site.  While I ignored Lisa&#8217;s unfounded accusations against Janet, I found it remarkable how the story that Lisa Miller tells about her own life is completely devoid of personal responsibility.</p>
<p>Her drug abuse is blamed on her parents.  Her alcoholism is blamed on her husband.  Her suicide attempt is blamed on her husband.  Her stay in a mental hospital after the suicide attempt is blamed on the State of Virginia.  Her lesbianism is blamed on the employees of the mental hospital.  Her relationship problems with Jenkins are blamed on Jenkins.  Her flight from Vermont is blamed on Jenkins.  Her legal problems are blamed on the Judge Cohen.  And her current flight from justice is blamed on Judge Cohen and Ms. Jenkins.</p>
<p>Further, she seems to be supported by her parents, then her husband, then back to her mother, then Jenkins, then the Fallwell church.  </p>
<p>Her story is completely devoid of any sense of personal responsibilty or supporting herself.  This was a puff piece supposed to make Miller look good.  It just made me that much sadder for the kid that is caught in the middle of this selfish, irresponsible character who is trying to paint herself as some sort of martyr.  There is a martyr in this story, and it is the little kid.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From reading Conley&#039;s rant, one would think that she would favor ending all marriage, civil union and domestic partner laws for gay or straight couples in this country.  There was nothing in her criticism of Vermont Civil Unions that couldn&#039;t also apply to Vermon heterosexual marriages.

Splitting parents could settle things  the old fashion way without the pesky interference of courts:  personal or clan violence.  Wow, perhaps Conley would prefer bloodshed to a judge following the laws of his state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From reading Conley&#8217;s rant, one would think that she would favor ending all marriage, civil union and domestic partner laws for gay or straight couples in this country.  There was nothing in her criticism of Vermont Civil Unions that couldn&#8217;t also apply to Vermon heterosexual marriages.</p>
<p>Splitting parents could settle things  the old fashion way without the pesky interference of courts:  personal or clan violence.  Wow, perhaps Conley would prefer bloodshed to a judge following the laws of his state.</p>
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