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	<title>Comments on: Pastor Rick Warren Denounces Martin Ssempa and Anti-Homosexuality Bill</title>
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		<title>By: ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol: You have no problrem slandering gay people with the absolute myth that we recruit in the schools, and then complain that I am insulting Uganda? Show some evidence, real evidence, not the claims of people like Ssempa.

We&#039;re selfish because we&#039;re not reproducing-- also a myth-- in a world where there are 7 billion people competing for an ever shrinking share of the goodies, all fueled by irresponsible heterosexual reproduction? i guess all of the gay people i know that have adopted the cast-off children of irresponsible heterosexual reproduction are SELFISH? WTF???????

I&#039;m against just about all immigration. we can no longer afford it. But if I could magically transport all the gay people from the fascist hell holes like Uganda, and give them good lives here, believe me, i would do it. 

Let me quote form a previous post:

&quot;Countries that let gay people live in peace and in full participation with society? Most of western europe, canada, even our own benighted US. Most of the western world, most of the western hemisphere. Peaceful, prosperous, good health care, a high standard of living, drinkable water, no starving people.

Compare this with two of my favorite, good Christian countries, Uganda and nigeria. Starving people, endemic corruption, no water, no health care, slaughtering each other, Idi Amin, dead children, educational system a shambles at best, Christians accusing other Christians, draconian laws, tribal and religious warfare, and on and on and on and on.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol: You have no problrem slandering gay people with the absolute myth that we recruit in the schools, and then complain that I am insulting Uganda? Show some evidence, real evidence, not the claims of people like Ssempa.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re selfish because we&#8217;re not reproducing&#8211; also a myth&#8211; in a world where there are 7 billion people competing for an ever shrinking share of the goodies, all fueled by irresponsible heterosexual reproduction? i guess all of the gay people i know that have adopted the cast-off children of irresponsible heterosexual reproduction are SELFISH? WTF???????</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against just about all immigration. we can no longer afford it. But if I could magically transport all the gay people from the fascist hell holes like Uganda, and give them good lives here, believe me, i would do it. </p>
<p>Let me quote form a previous post:</p>
<p>&#8220;Countries that let gay people live in peace and in full participation with society? Most of western europe, canada, even our own benighted US. Most of the western world, most of the western hemisphere. Peaceful, prosperous, good health care, a high standard of living, drinkable water, no starving people.</p>
<p>Compare this with two of my favorite, good Christian countries, Uganda and nigeria. Starving people, endemic corruption, no water, no health care, slaughtering each other, Idi Amin, dead children, educational system a shambles at best, Christians accusing other Christians, draconian laws, tribal and religious warfare, and on and on and on and on.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben in Oakland: Hey, you dont have to insult our nation Uganda to make a point, okay? What do you call &#039;mess&#039;? I would disagree! Every country has its messes. The US has its trigger-happy psychos everywhere and weather disasters... so, easy! Wouldnt it be better to just give all the aggrieved 900,000 homosexuals here asylum in the USA???? Stop it already! I personally dont support the brutality of the bill, but I dont support homosexuality either. Especially when they go around recruiting in schools! That is not how &#039;normal&#039; relationships develop. Plus, I dont like the idea of someone choosing a way of life that is so selfish in terms of procreation and then count on another to provide the babies and multiplication channels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben in Oakland: Hey, you dont have to insult our nation Uganda to make a point, okay? What do you call &#8216;mess&#8217;? I would disagree! Every country has its messes. The US has its trigger-happy psychos everywhere and weather disasters&#8230; so, easy! Wouldnt it be better to just give all the aggrieved 900,000 homosexuals here asylum in the USA???? Stop it already! I personally dont support the brutality of the bill, but I dont support homosexuality either. Especially when they go around recruiting in schools! That is not how &#8216;normal&#8217; relationships develop. Plus, I dont like the idea of someone choosing a way of life that is so selfish in terms of procreation and then count on another to provide the babies and multiplication channels.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;imagine we allow homosexuality to be human right? would there be human beings in the world .&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

The implied assumption here is that, if homosexuality is accepted, everyone will be homosexual. Will they hell. That’s just a silly fantasy. Not only is there no evidence to support it, but the evidence contradicts it. In those western countries where homosexuality is fully accepted, heterosexual people continue to be in the vast majority, and homosexual people in the minority.

Homosexuality is part of the rich variety of God’s creation. No-one has any right to try to abolish it, nor have they any chance of succeeding if they do try. But their attempts will and do cause an enormous amount of unnecessary pain and suffering. Far from glorifying God, they’re blaspheming him. Stop it, Diana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>imagine we allow homosexuality to be human right? would there be human beings in the world .</p></blockquote>
<p>The implied assumption here is that, if homosexuality is accepted, everyone will be homosexual. Will they hell. That’s just a silly fantasy. Not only is there no evidence to support it, but the evidence contradicts it. In those western countries where homosexuality is fully accepted, heterosexual people continue to be in the vast majority, and homosexual people in the minority.</p>
<p>Homosexuality is part of the rich variety of God’s creation. No-one has any right to try to abolish it, nor have they any chance of succeeding if they do try. But their attempts will and do cause an enormous amount of unnecessary pain and suffering. Far from glorifying God, they’re blaspheming him. Stop it, Diana.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know that denying human rights such as to free speech as this bill does would be for the glory of a god that was supposed to have given man a free will.   

Maybe.... what god has given let no man put asunder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know that denying human rights such as to free speech as this bill does would be for the glory of a god that was supposed to have given man a free will.   </p>
<p>Maybe&#8230;. what god has given let no man put asunder?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ben.

As per Diana:

&lt;blockquote&gt;i believe and love horms as human being, but what they are doing no…………..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A common misunderstanding--same-sex attraction isn&#039;t something you &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;i pray that it is passed through, 4da glory of God&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And btw, since God is perfect, don&#039;t you have to be perfect yourself to know the mind of God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ben.</p>
<p>As per Diana:</p>
<blockquote><p>i believe and love horms as human being, but what they are doing no…………..</p></blockquote>
<p>A common misunderstanding&#8211;same-sex attraction isn&#8217;t something you <em>do</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>i pray that it is passed through, 4da glory of God</p></blockquote>
<p>And btw, since God is perfect, don&#8217;t you have to be perfect yourself to know the mind of God?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana: you are ashamed of being a human being for entirely the wrong reasons.

You should be ashamed of being a human being becuase you are ignorant, unconscious, and at the least, inhumane.

According to you, even animals are completely heterosexual, and therefore it shames you that human beings are not. Clearly, you know nothing about animals, let alone the subject of homosexuality among animals. But ignornace is OK as long as you can believe your praising God. You don&#039;t understand the irony of one of his names: The Fount of wisdom.

You condemn a whole group of people that you do not know, who have not harmed you, and that you clearly know absolutely NOTHING about, all based upon your understanding of passages written in a book and imposed upon your people centuries ago, a book you also clearly know nothing about.

You condemn these people to prison or death cheerfully, all the while praising yourself for being so very, very righteous, and thinking the God has personally consulted you about what is going on in his mind.

All the while, ignoring one thing that IS certain: YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR COMMANDED YOU NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS.

Honey, this is why your country is in such a mess. This is why you had Auntie Idi. You wouldn&#039;t know righteousness if it bit you on the ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana: you are ashamed of being a human being for entirely the wrong reasons.</p>
<p>You should be ashamed of being a human being becuase you are ignorant, unconscious, and at the least, inhumane.</p>
<p>According to you, even animals are completely heterosexual, and therefore it shames you that human beings are not. Clearly, you know nothing about animals, let alone the subject of homosexuality among animals. But ignornace is OK as long as you can believe your praising God. You don&#8217;t understand the irony of one of his names: The Fount of wisdom.</p>
<p>You condemn a whole group of people that you do not know, who have not harmed you, and that you clearly know absolutely NOTHING about, all based upon your understanding of passages written in a book and imposed upon your people centuries ago, a book you also clearly know nothing about.</p>
<p>You condemn these people to prison or death cheerfully, all the while praising yourself for being so very, very righteous, and thinking the God has personally consulted you about what is going on in his mind.</p>
<p>All the while, ignoring one thing that IS certain: YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR COMMANDED YOU NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS.</p>
<p>Honey, this is why your country is in such a mess. This is why you had Auntie Idi. You wouldn&#8217;t know righteousness if it bit you on the ass.</p>
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		<title>By: diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am ashamed of being human being because even animals are better off than us because they know what to do. i believe and love horms as human being, but what they are doing no.............. way it degrades human being who were put in charge of the world. imagine we allow homosexuality to be human right?  would there be human beings in the world . pr ssempa and the gov&#039;t of Uganda i congratulate u 4da bill i pray that it is passed through, 4da glory of God not human beings who do not know there purpose on this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am ashamed of being human being because even animals are better off than us because they know what to do. i believe and love horms as human being, but what they are doing no&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. way it degrades human being who were put in charge of the world. imagine we allow homosexuality to be human right?  would there be human beings in the world . pr ssempa and the gov&#8217;t of Uganda i congratulate u 4da bill i pray that it is passed through, 4da glory of God not human beings who do not know there purpose on this world.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One fundamental aspect of medical care is to &quot;first do no harm.&quot;  Given current attitudes towards homosexuality in Uganda, I think that the US should seriously re-evaluate the medical services and other services that we support in Uganda, in particular HIV care.

HIV care could be used to lure people to medical services in order to determine which might be homosexual.  Those suspected of homosexuality could be jailed and/or executed.  Uganda&#039;s neighbor, Sudan used a similar tactic during a famine to lure Southern Ugandans to famine relief services.  They packed these refugies in tight train cars, transported them through the hot desert without ventillation, then disposed of the bodies at their destination.  

Rick Warren loves to tout his HIV work in Africa through ministers like Ssempa, and Uganda has reportedly moved away from the previously successful ABC policy (Abstinence, Be faithful and Condoms) to an Abstinence only policy with blessings of the Bush Administration.  The Abstinence only policy has been reported to be less effective with rising HIV rates.

I would argue that it is better to provide no assistance to Ssempa or discriminatory government clinics that might use HIV care to incarcerate and kill those suspected of homosexuality than to become accomplices in these horrible crimes committed against vulnerable individuals and groups in Uganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One fundamental aspect of medical care is to &#8220;first do no harm.&#8221;  Given current attitudes towards homosexuality in Uganda, I think that the US should seriously re-evaluate the medical services and other services that we support in Uganda, in particular HIV care.</p>
<p>HIV care could be used to lure people to medical services in order to determine which might be homosexual.  Those suspected of homosexuality could be jailed and/or executed.  Uganda&#8217;s neighbor, Sudan used a similar tactic during a famine to lure Southern Ugandans to famine relief services.  They packed these refugies in tight train cars, transported them through the hot desert without ventillation, then disposed of the bodies at their destination.  </p>
<p>Rick Warren loves to tout his HIV work in Africa through ministers like Ssempa, and Uganda has reportedly moved away from the previously successful ABC policy (Abstinence, Be faithful and Condoms) to an Abstinence only policy with blessings of the Bush Administration.  The Abstinence only policy has been reported to be less effective with rising HIV rates.</p>
<p>I would argue that it is better to provide no assistance to Ssempa or discriminatory government clinics that might use HIV care to incarcerate and kill those suspected of homosexuality than to become accomplices in these horrible crimes committed against vulnerable individuals and groups in Uganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2008/documents/rc_seg-st_20081218_statement-sexual-orientation_en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This somewhat schizoid document from the Roman Catholic Church&lt;/a&gt; espouses a policy of not crirminalizing homosexuality:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Holy See continues to advocate that every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided and urges States to do away with criminal penalties against them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And yes, both churches in Uganda don&#039;t seem to want to follow their hierarchy.    It is my understanding from something I read recently that the Anglican Churches also favor decriminalization; however, the Church of Uganda (CoU) has broken with the the main body of the Anglican Church.    What seems to be even more abyssmal is that the Roman Catholic Church does not seen to have the will to point out that issue to its bishops in Uganda.  But that is nothing new.   When political situations go against what the Church may teach, the Church has often looked the other way - officially - especially when it thinks an evil (gay sex) is being eradicated.  In other words the RCC will fall in line with the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2008/documents/rc_seg-st_20081218_statement-sexual-orientation_en.html" rel="nofollow">This somewhat schizoid document from the Roman Catholic Church</a> espouses a policy of not crirminalizing homosexuality:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Holy See continues to advocate that every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided and urges States to do away with criminal penalties against them.</p></blockquote>
<p>And yes, both churches in Uganda don&#8217;t seem to want to follow their hierarchy.    It is my understanding from something I read recently that the Anglican Churches also favor decriminalization; however, the Church of Uganda (CoU) has broken with the the main body of the Anglican Church.    What seems to be even more abyssmal is that the Roman Catholic Church does not seen to have the will to point out that issue to its bishops in Uganda.  But that is nothing new.   When political situations go against what the Church may teach, the Church has often looked the other way &#8211; officially &#8211; especially when it thinks an evil (gay sex) is being eradicated.  In other words the RCC will fall in line with the government.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;We are praying for you the Warren’s so that satan does not use you to lead the little ones to sin or become homosexuals.&lt;/em&gt;

I trust that the method of execution will be stoning?  After all, such is what Jesus would have wanted given He treatment of adulterers.

Oh wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>We are praying for you the Warren’s so that satan does not use you to lead the little ones to sin or become homosexuals.</em></p>
<p>I trust that the method of execution will be stoning?  After all, such is what Jesus would have wanted given He treatment of adulterers.</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230;</p>
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