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	<title>Comments on: Video: Bruno Captures Paul Cameron&#8217;s Misogynistic Views</title>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This clip is from about 15 years ago with some of the cast from my favorite escape from reality movie, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Priscilla,_Queen_of_the_Desert&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert&lt;/a&gt;.  I think Guy Pearce has the best response to Cameron -- or anyone else with similar statements.  I wish I had the next few minutes of the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clip is from about 15 years ago with some of the cast from my favorite escape from reality movie, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Priscilla,_Queen_of_the_Desert" rel="nofollow">The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert</a>.  I think Guy Pearce has the best response to Cameron &#8212; or anyone else with similar statements.  I wish I had the next few minutes of the show.</p>
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		<title>By: e2c</title>
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		<dc:creator>e2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK... &lt;strong&gt;everything&lt;/strong&gt; Cameron says in that clip is (IMO) misogynistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230; <strong>everything</strong> Cameron says in that clip is (IMO) misogynistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Timothy Smith:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The sad thing is that most homophobes and bigots are so determined to believe Cameron’s lies, they can’t even begin to remotely consider that what he says is not the gospel truth. If they did so….it would shatter their entire belief system.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The reality is the ex-gay ministry is based on a package of lies, the greatest being what Chambers states as &quot;the opposite of homosexuality is holiness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Timothy Smith:</p>
<blockquote><p>The sad thing is that most homophobes and bigots are so determined to believe Cameron’s lies, they can’t even begin to remotely consider that what he says is not the gospel truth. If they did so….it would shatter their entire belief system.</p></blockquote>
<p>The reality is the ex-gay ministry is based on a package of lies, the greatest being what Chambers states as &#8220;the opposite of homosexuality is holiness.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Timothy Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Timothy Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago I had a rather revealing conversation with a young woman who was an extreme evangelical. When she discovered I was openly gay, she chastised me and informed me that there was much &quot;scientific&quot; evidence that gay people could be &quot;changed&quot;. She even went so far as to say that she personally knew a number of &quot;ex-gays&quot;. I was of course fascinated and ask her to introduce to a few of these people as I had never actually met such a person. I also asked her if she could name one supposed scientific expert who supported this claim. Of course she couldn&#039;t name one ex-gay that she personally knew.....but she was able to supply Cameron&#039;s name as the &quot;major&quot; expert in ex-gay science. When I informed her of the truth about Cameron, she simply laughed and said something about lies and left-wing propaganda.  The sad thing is that most homophobes and bigots are so determined to believe Cameron&#039;s lies, they can&#039;t even begin to remotely consider that what he says is not the gospel truth. If they did so....it would shatter their entire belief system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago I had a rather revealing conversation with a young woman who was an extreme evangelical. When she discovered I was openly gay, she chastised me and informed me that there was much &#8220;scientific&#8221; evidence that gay people could be &#8220;changed&#8221;. She even went so far as to say that she personally knew a number of &#8220;ex-gays&#8221;. I was of course fascinated and ask her to introduce to a few of these people as I had never actually met such a person. I also asked her if she could name one supposed scientific expert who supported this claim. Of course she couldn&#8217;t name one ex-gay that she personally knew&#8230;..but she was able to supply Cameron&#8217;s name as the &#8220;major&#8221; expert in ex-gay science. When I informed her of the truth about Cameron, she simply laughed and said something about lies and left-wing propaganda.  The sad thing is that most homophobes and bigots are so determined to believe Cameron&#8217;s lies, they can&#8217;t even begin to remotely consider that what he says is not the gospel truth. If they did so&#8230;.it would shatter their entire belief system.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara the Antisocial Social Worker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara the Antisocial Social Worker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Cameron wrote a book on &quot;sexual gradualism,&quot; basically advising young people to do &quot;everything but,&quot; (as we used to say in the old days), as a way of making sure they turned out heterosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Cameron wrote a book on &#8220;sexual gradualism,&#8221; basically advising young people to do &#8220;everything but,&#8221; (as we used to say in the old days), as a way of making sure they turned out heterosexual.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peterson, you bring up a very interesting point. I remember watching a documentary on Joan Rivers concerning how she was a pioneer in being one of the first women to step out of the boundaries. She talked about double standards and how, when a man says something vulgar it &quot;adds&quot; to his masculinity, but when a woman says the exact same thing she is &quot;just being a witch with a capital &#039;B&#039;.&quot;

The presidential election is another example of how negative attitudes towards women are still alive and well. Hilary Clinton was perceived as a cold-hearted, rigid, self-serving person because she didn&#039;t do an impression of June Cleaver. I remember the news coverage making such a big deal over her and how they would imply she was not &quot;feminine&quot; as if she was &quot;acting like a man.&quot; They never went out and said it in those terms, but the underlining message was clear.

Back in the 80s, when my dad owned an extermination company, he hired a woman for pest control services. There were customers who refused to allow her to service their home. They told my dad that she should be in the office as a secretary or something, not as a pest control technician.

What really got my goat about Paul Cameron in this clip is how he is saying to let women seduce Bruno. What??? Hello??? Pat, I&#039;d like to solve the puzzle (Wheel of Fortune pun). Isn&#039;t premarital sex a no-no in Mr. Cameron&#039;s religious world? My friends who grew up in the Evangelical spectrum of Christianity have told me horror stories of how they were drilled and killed over NOT having sex before marriage. How they would burn in the hottest pit of hell if they &quot;deflowered&quot; a woman before her wedding day.

I guess the worst &quot;sin&quot; for Mr. Cameron is being gay, and doing &quot;lesser sins&quot; is ok if it gets you out of &quot;the homosexual lifestyle.&quot; I am amazed he doesn&#039;t have some dumb grass without the &quot;gr&quot; therapy where, to &quot;get back to being straight&quot; the &quot;patient&quot; first gets seduced by &quot;feminine&quot; guys, then transvestites, then works his way to butch women, they gradually works his way to the &quot;ideal&quot; woman - the 50&#039;s June Cleaver type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peterson, you bring up a very interesting point. I remember watching a documentary on Joan Rivers concerning how she was a pioneer in being one of the first women to step out of the boundaries. She talked about double standards and how, when a man says something vulgar it &#8220;adds&#8221; to his masculinity, but when a woman says the exact same thing she is &#8220;just being a witch with a capital &#8216;B&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The presidential election is another example of how negative attitudes towards women are still alive and well. Hilary Clinton was perceived as a cold-hearted, rigid, self-serving person because she didn&#8217;t do an impression of June Cleaver. I remember the news coverage making such a big deal over her and how they would imply she was not &#8220;feminine&#8221; as if she was &#8220;acting like a man.&#8221; They never went out and said it in those terms, but the underlining message was clear.</p>
<p>Back in the 80s, when my dad owned an extermination company, he hired a woman for pest control services. There were customers who refused to allow her to service their home. They told my dad that she should be in the office as a secretary or something, not as a pest control technician.</p>
<p>What really got my goat about Paul Cameron in this clip is how he is saying to let women seduce Bruno. What??? Hello??? Pat, I&#8217;d like to solve the puzzle (Wheel of Fortune pun). Isn&#8217;t premarital sex a no-no in Mr. Cameron&#8217;s religious world? My friends who grew up in the Evangelical spectrum of Christianity have told me horror stories of how they were drilled and killed over NOT having sex before marriage. How they would burn in the hottest pit of hell if they &#8220;deflowered&#8221; a woman before her wedding day.</p>
<p>I guess the worst &#8220;sin&#8221; for Mr. Cameron is being gay, and doing &#8220;lesser sins&#8221; is ok if it gets you out of &#8220;the homosexual lifestyle.&#8221; I am amazed he doesn&#8217;t have some dumb grass without the &#8220;gr&#8221; therapy where, to &#8220;get back to being straight&#8221; the &#8220;patient&#8221; first gets seduced by &#8220;feminine&#8221; guys, then transvestites, then works his way to butch women, they gradually works his way to the &#8220;ideal&#8221; woman &#8211; the 50&#8242;s June Cleaver type.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterson Toscano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterson Toscano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this David. I thoroughly enjoyed the film on many levels, but especially because it reveals Paul Cameron&#039;s sexism and misogyny. (Marvin Bloom, who appears in two of my plays, like many of his fellow gay men of a certain age, &lt;a href=&quot;http://petersontoscano.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/bruno-marvin-and-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;didn&#039;t like the film too much.&lt;/a&gt;)

Just last year I wrote about the anti-woman/anti-feminine posture that many ex-gay theorists and practitioners espouse. In this &quot;struggle&quot; they make it clear that they believe men are valuable and worthy to be saved while women are an after thought or simply part of the treatment to save the men (ie marriage)

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://petersontoscano.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/women-the-ex-gay-movement/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Women &amp; the Ex-Gay Movement&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;For a while I have been considering how the Ex-Gay Movement is an anti-fem movement. Most of the participants in it are male with curriculum and treatment plans geared towards “male issues.” Many of the men involved have felt the need to “change” after years of taunting for being sissies. They learned both on the playground and from the pulpit that the world does not value feminized men.

The cornerstone teaching of nearly every ex-gay program takes a swipe at women while also reinforcing the belief that women must be subservient to men. What makes a boy gay? According to most of these ex-gay providers and proponents gay boys are a bi-product of an “overbearing mother.” This false teaching infers that once a woman usurps a man’s authority and no longer remains submissive, this transgressive act alters the natural order of the world thus misshaping a child. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this David. I thoroughly enjoyed the film on many levels, but especially because it reveals Paul Cameron&#8217;s sexism and misogyny. (Marvin Bloom, who appears in two of my plays, like many of his fellow gay men of a certain age, <a href="http://petersontoscano.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/bruno-marvin-and-me/" rel="nofollow">didn&#8217;t like the film too much.</a>)</p>
<p>Just last year I wrote about the anti-woman/anti-feminine posture that many ex-gay theorists and practitioners espouse. In this &#8220;struggle&#8221; they make it clear that they believe men are valuable and worthy to be saved while women are an after thought or simply part of the treatment to save the men (ie marriage)</p>
<p>From <a href="http://petersontoscano.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/women-the-ex-gay-movement/" rel="nofollow">Women &amp; the Ex-Gay Movement</a></p>
<blockquote><p>For a while I have been considering how the Ex-Gay Movement is an anti-fem movement. Most of the participants in it are male with curriculum and treatment plans geared towards “male issues.” Many of the men involved have felt the need to “change” after years of taunting for being sissies. They learned both on the playground and from the pulpit that the world does not value feminized men.</p>
<p>The cornerstone teaching of nearly every ex-gay program takes a swipe at women while also reinforcing the belief that women must be subservient to men. What makes a boy gay? According to most of these ex-gay providers and proponents gay boys are a bi-product of an “overbearing mother.” This false teaching infers that once a woman usurps a man’s authority and no longer remains submissive, this transgressive act alters the natural order of the world thus misshaping a child. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, it&#039;s hard to underestimate misogynists, and therefore I could imagine plenty of people who find nothing at all offensive with Cameron&#039;s opinions and advice. Their agreement with such blatantly false and hurtful stereotypes would only be enhanced and justified by Cameron&#039;s claims of being a &quot;researcher.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, it&#8217;s hard to underestimate misogynists, and therefore I could imagine plenty of people who find nothing at all offensive with Cameron&#8217;s opinions and advice. Their agreement with such blatantly false and hurtful stereotypes would only be enhanced and justified by Cameron&#8217;s claims of being a &#8220;researcher.&#8221;</p>
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