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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! Poor Travis....
Those poor guys.

 I wish Bryce were MY son! Believe it that he and Travis would be supported, loved...given all the counsel to be and stay together I could muster.

       Maybe I keep saying that because I lost my sweet boy last year and I&#039;d do anything to get him back.
Then I see parents like this who commit such emotional blackmail, and threaten to do such damage to their own children.

   How could they be SO misguided beyond knowing their own son?!
Not only that, but instead of finding successful families that HAVE accepted their gay children, they go against their own child in FAVOR of a church doctrine that doesn&#039;t even know him!

       They should see Bryce and Travis as TWO sons for one!
They GAIN two good young men in their lives. This way they LOSE two.

     THEY are what is tangible in their lives. NOT God, not Jesus, not Heaven.
Faith that doesn&#039;t give the benefit of the doubt to their own flesh and blood?!

Oh please!

      That is not FEAR of the unknown. They KNOW their son!
      It&#039;s the financial blackmailing that tells you this isn&#039;t about love for a son, but about CONTROLLING him beyond what&#039;s healthy for any parent to do.
He&#039;s not costing THEM in financial or any kind of tangible hardship but what their imaginations will, not what reality wills.

 I&#039;m so sad for Bryce and Travis. What a handsome couple, what heartbreak for both of them.
What selfish parents not to think of their son&#039;s feelings in that regard.

      Damn...I wish he were my son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! Poor Travis&#8230;.<br />
Those poor guys.</p>
<p> I wish Bryce were MY son! Believe it that he and Travis would be supported, loved&#8230;given all the counsel to be and stay together I could muster.</p>
<p>       Maybe I keep saying that because I lost my sweet boy last year and I&#8217;d do anything to get him back.<br />
Then I see parents like this who commit such emotional blackmail, and threaten to do such damage to their own children.</p>
<p>   How could they be SO misguided beyond knowing their own son?!<br />
Not only that, but instead of finding successful families that HAVE accepted their gay children, they go against their own child in FAVOR of a church doctrine that doesn&#8217;t even know him!</p>
<p>       They should see Bryce and Travis as TWO sons for one!<br />
They GAIN two good young men in their lives. This way they LOSE two.</p>
<p>     THEY are what is tangible in their lives. NOT God, not Jesus, not Heaven.<br />
Faith that doesn&#8217;t give the benefit of the doubt to their own flesh and blood?!</p>
<p>Oh please!</p>
<p>      That is not FEAR of the unknown. They KNOW their son!<br />
      It&#8217;s the financial blackmailing that tells you this isn&#8217;t about love for a son, but about CONTROLLING him beyond what&#8217;s healthy for any parent to do.<br />
He&#8217;s not costing THEM in financial or any kind of tangible hardship but what their imaginations will, not what reality wills.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m so sad for Bryce and Travis. What a handsome couple, what heartbreak for both of them.<br />
What selfish parents not to think of their son&#8217;s feelings in that regard.</p>
<p>      Damn&#8230;I wish he were my son.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are more details from Travis in a new interview:

http://www.quest-online.com/NewFiles/Quest_Newsroom_247.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are more details from Travis in a new interview:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quest-online.com/NewFiles/Quest_Newsroom_247.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.quest-online.com/NewFiles/Quest_Newsroom_247.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David, I clicked on that link the other day and I was confused, lol.

But anyway, I&#039;m so upset over this, it&#039;s keeping me up at night (maybe that&#039;s just a sign that there&#039;s something not quite right with me, but I don&#039;t know).  If I had the means and opportunity right now, I would fly down to Florida and infiltrate the place he is thought to be staying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David, I clicked on that link the other day and I was confused, lol.</p>
<p>But anyway, I&#8217;m so upset over this, it&#8217;s keeping me up at night (maybe that&#8217;s just a sign that there&#8217;s something not quite right with me, but I don&#8217;t know).  If I had the means and opportunity right now, I would fly down to Florida and infiltrate the place he is thought to be staying.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2009/07/faulkners-talk-to-fox-deny-son-forced-into-ex-gay-program/#comment-33712&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my comment above&lt;/a&gt;, I was thinking about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/prayers-bobby&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prayers for Bobby&lt;/a&gt;, not Save Me.  The conclusions are quite different, so the original didn&#039;t make much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify <a href="http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2009/07/faulkners-talk-to-fox-deny-son-forced-into-ex-gay-program/#comment-33712" rel="nofollow">my comment above</a>, I was thinking about <a href="http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/prayers-bobby" rel="nofollow">Prayers for Bobby</a>, not Save Me.  The conclusions are quite different, so the original didn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Schalchlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Schalchlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given how often the exgay &quot;ministries&quot; use lies and deceit, combined with emotional and spiritual abuse (especially to friends and family) to promote their anti-gay agenda, it&#039;s important for XGW to keep a close eye on them and their activities. Bryce may have suddenly decided that Jesus doesn&#039;t want him to be gay, and that&#039;s his choice.

But until I hear it from his own lips, and until we have the full story, our experience tells us that keeping a close eye on this is in the best interest of everyone involved. Bryce&#039;s story is one that too often ends in a suicide. That is the legacy of Exodus International.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given how often the exgay &#8220;ministries&#8221; use lies and deceit, combined with emotional and spiritual abuse (especially to friends and family) to promote their anti-gay agenda, it&#8217;s important for XGW to keep a close eye on them and their activities. Bryce may have suddenly decided that Jesus doesn&#8217;t want him to be gay, and that&#8217;s his choice.</p>
<p>But until I hear it from his own lips, and until we have the full story, our experience tells us that keeping a close eye on this is in the best interest of everyone involved. Bryce&#8217;s story is one that too often ends in a suicide. That is the legacy of Exodus International.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen VS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen VS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox - interesting choice of networks.  Seems as if a short video from Bryce might clear up some of the confusion.  Described previously as &quot;totally financially dependent&quot; on his parents, he may be playing along until he finishes his education.

I just pray that he is not being harmed by his &quot;Christian&quot; counseling. The parents have probably created a rift which will never be repaired unless they change.  So sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox &#8211; interesting choice of networks.  Seems as if a short video from Bryce might clear up some of the confusion.  Described previously as &#8220;totally financially dependent&#8221; on his parents, he may be playing along until he finishes his education.</p>
<p>I just pray that he is not being harmed by his &#8220;Christian&#8221; counseling. The parents have probably created a rift which will never be repaired unless they change.  So sad.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I&#039;ve had my doubts over the past few days reading about this, but when I hear there were over 10,000 cell phone minutes between Bryce and Travis in the month of May alone, and I forget how many hundreds of pages of chat text, and that Bryce had apparently already bought a plane ticket to Wisconsin when his parents hacked into his email account and found him out, I&#039;ve got to again lean much more toward Bryce not really wanting to be there, and that means us finding a way to get to him and let him know that he doesn&#039;t have to be there, literally or practically.

Of course, these pieces of info are coming from the guy who made the &quot;Save Bryce&quot; site and Travis, so it could simply be a flat out lie if this is all the delusion of a jilted lover in the first place.  From everything I&#039;ve read so far though, I&#039;m leaning toward no.  Of course, it would be nice if some of the chat were published on the site, but perhaps they don&#039;t want to reveal intimate details of their relationship, or Bryce&#039;s chat name or email address or whatever, and they figure posting it without that would simply be dismissed as possible electronic forgery anyway.  Who knows.  I&#039;m just saying, one side or the other here is simply lying.  This is not a matter of misunderstanding or shading the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I&#8217;ve had my doubts over the past few days reading about this, but when I hear there were over 10,000 cell phone minutes between Bryce and Travis in the month of May alone, and I forget how many hundreds of pages of chat text, and that Bryce had apparently already bought a plane ticket to Wisconsin when his parents hacked into his email account and found him out, I&#8217;ve got to again lean much more toward Bryce not really wanting to be there, and that means us finding a way to get to him and let him know that he doesn&#8217;t have to be there, literally or practically.</p>
<p>Of course, these pieces of info are coming from the guy who made the &#8220;Save Bryce&#8221; site and Travis, so it could simply be a flat out lie if this is all the delusion of a jilted lover in the first place.  From everything I&#8217;ve read so far though, I&#8217;m leaning toward no.  Of course, it would be nice if some of the chat were published on the site, but perhaps they don&#8217;t want to reveal intimate details of their relationship, or Bryce&#8217;s chat name or email address or whatever, and they figure posting it without that would simply be dismissed as possible electronic forgery anyway.  Who knows.  I&#8217;m just saying, one side or the other here is simply lying.  This is not a matter of misunderstanding or shading the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is it&#039;s times like this I wish that beautiful young man were MY son...
And Alan S...bang on, brother.

  The Faulkners are disingenuous, they might as well say that choosing between a rock and a hard place is still a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is it&#8217;s times like this I wish that beautiful young man were MY son&#8230;<br />
And Alan S&#8230;bang on, brother.</p>
<p>  The Faulkners are disingenuous, they might as well say that choosing between a rock and a hard place is still a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Alan  -- thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Alan  &#8212; thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there may only be speculation and guessing as to what is happening with Bryce, I think the speculations and guessing are based more on knowledge and experience with ex-gay ministries rather than just guessing for guessing&#039;s sake.

@passerby who said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;there is no reason to attack people who don’t agree with you… I’ve seen that happen all too quick on this site from time to time&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have been watching and writing on this blog for quite some time now, and while there have been attacks waged on both sides of an issue, even attacks on persons, I think it is fair to say that that is how debates are sometimes conducted. The editors of this blog have done, in my opinion, a great job of monitoring such debates and have given people opportunities to curb direct attacks, back up their statements with solid evidence, and to remove those who do not conduct themselves according to proper debate edicit.

Because these debates are emotionally charged, sometimes what one says may come across as being an outright attack on someone else.

In this particular case, It appears that assumptions are being made about Bryce Faulkner and his family are based on prior knoweldge and experiences with ex-gay ministries. 

You said: &lt;blockquote&gt;but if most people in Exodus are gay people confused, then shouldn’t you be showing pitty and care for them… rather than a negative attitude?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My knowledge of Exodus and other ex-gay ministries is more than my actual experiences, so based on my knowledge alone, yes I would show pitty for them and would love for the opportunity to care for them just as I loved and cared for my cousins who were in gangs and my friends who joined cults. Why? Because my knowledge of cults and gangs and ex-gay ministries all show a common thread - the main thread is to break off as much (if not all) communication from others not in the cult, gang, or ex-gay ministry. This is done to create total dependence on these groups by the individual for the sole purpose of control. In all three of these groups mentioned, breaking away from them can mean spiritual suicide for the member wanted to break away.

If a person is confused about his or her sexual orientation, they should not be subjected to conditions that most current ex-gay ministries in the United States impose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there may only be speculation and guessing as to what is happening with Bryce, I think the speculations and guessing are based more on knowledge and experience with ex-gay ministries rather than just guessing for guessing&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>@passerby who said:</p>
<blockquote><p>there is no reason to attack people who don’t agree with you… I’ve seen that happen all too quick on this site from time to time</p></blockquote>
<p>I have been watching and writing on this blog for quite some time now, and while there have been attacks waged on both sides of an issue, even attacks on persons, I think it is fair to say that that is how debates are sometimes conducted. The editors of this blog have done, in my opinion, a great job of monitoring such debates and have given people opportunities to curb direct attacks, back up their statements with solid evidence, and to remove those who do not conduct themselves according to proper debate edicit.</p>
<p>Because these debates are emotionally charged, sometimes what one says may come across as being an outright attack on someone else.</p>
<p>In this particular case, It appears that assumptions are being made about Bryce Faulkner and his family are based on prior knoweldge and experiences with ex-gay ministries. </p>
<p>You said:<br />
<blockquote>but if most people in Exodus are gay people confused, then shouldn’t you be showing pitty and care for them… rather than a negative attitude?</p></blockquote>
<p>My knowledge of Exodus and other ex-gay ministries is more than my actual experiences, so based on my knowledge alone, yes I would show pitty for them and would love for the opportunity to care for them just as I loved and cared for my cousins who were in gangs and my friends who joined cults. Why? Because my knowledge of cults and gangs and ex-gay ministries all show a common thread &#8211; the main thread is to break off as much (if not all) communication from others not in the cult, gang, or ex-gay ministry. This is done to create total dependence on these groups by the individual for the sole purpose of control. In all three of these groups mentioned, breaking away from them can mean spiritual suicide for the member wanted to break away.</p>
<p>If a person is confused about his or her sexual orientation, they should not be subjected to conditions that most current ex-gay ministries in the United States impose.</p>
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