Ex-Gay Watch

Poor poor persecuted pillar of salt, Janet Folger. By all means Janet, DO go on.
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Ok that was gratuitous. But I did transcribe the Citizenlink / Focus on the family — James Kennedy hate speech video. (feel free to use it )

They synopsized it down to about 10 min for online viewing. (though I don’t know how long the original one is that they sell on TV every Sunday morning…)

were arrested for sharing their faith on the public sidewalk.

Which is how Michael Marcavage (Philadelphia 11) attempts to spin their “persecution,” despite the fact that the abuse of the law was found out, and thus, justice reigned.

The arguments here seem to be that the POSSIBILITY for abuse is equal to the POTENTIAL for abuse. And as far as I’m concerned, if they don’t know the difference between the two, then they don’t have a valid opinion on the matter.

I’m sure he expressed as much concern for the patriot act.

I cannot find any reliable sources on the internet relating to this David Ott story (apart from conservative blogs passing the story back and forth). Is there any truth to it? Was he acting violently?

I have yet to find an arrest record, an identification of the exact charges, the names of the laws establishing such charges, or exactly what independent observers said Ott was saying or doing at the time of the alleged arrest.

Addendum: A search of stories dated 1990 to 2007 from both of Madison’s metro newspapers finds 18 stories that mention a David Ott: one involving drunken driving, one about antiques. The remainder are artistic and musical references to a David Ott.

Could the drunken-driving arrest be what Ott is referring to? In any case, if there is proof somewhere of Ott’s supposed arrest relating to hate speech, or of the actual charges, such proof has yet to emerge.

Remember: Christians like Folger and Dobson are protected by hate crimes laws.

They just want special rights for their changeable classification of choice.

SharonB: LOL!! Their justification for denying equal rights is that gays can change (which over and over and over again has been proven false). So next time Christians feel like they’re being persecuted and cry for Hate Crimes protection, tell them to just change their lifestyle. Accept the Goddess into their hearts and become Wiccan. Or maybe tell them, “just stop flaunting your Christian lifestyle and you won’t have this problem.” It’s MUCH easier to go from Christian to non-Christian than to go from gay to straight, let me tell you.

It could just be a complete lie without any basis whatsoever. Would that really surprise anyone?

It could just be a complete lie without any basis whatsoever.
Would that really surprise anyone?

Lol, yes it would. They’re not that clever.

It evidently comes from a PDF on ReclaimAmerica: http://test.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/fastfacts/HateCrimes2.pdf

I don’t know what “test” means in that URL. Yes, I do… if you go to http://www.reclaimamerica.org/ rather than http://test.reclaimamerica.org/ you find that the “Center for Reclaiming America for Christ’ was closed on April 26. So despite the posturing Coral Ridge Ministries might have found disfavor with the Center for Reclaiming America?

Folger is/was with ReclaimAmerica, part of Coral Ridge Ministries (we know how reliable they aren’t after D.James’ evolution fiasco). But the piece on Ott in the PDF, which unlike most other stories therein was unattributed, read….
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Hate Crime Laws in Action

In Madison, Wisconsin, a recovered homosexual who had left the “gay” lifestyle to start a family got into a heated discussion with an open homosexual about homosexuality at a gas station. The ex-“gay” man, David Ott, was holding his child in his arms during the entire incident, and neither man touched the other. The homosexual activist later told police he had felt threatened by Ott, and local prosecutors charged the man with “disorderly conduct” with a “hate crimes” enhancement.

The “hate crime” aspect, stemming from Ott’s belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, raised the potential fine from $1,000 to $10,000, and jail time went up from a possible 90 days to one year. Fearing the possibility of substantial jail time, Ott settled, and received 50 hours of community service plus a mandatory attendance at “tolerance” sessions conducted by lesbians at the University of Wisconsin at Madison. A ground rule for the session was the premise that homosexual behavior is not immoral.

The entire process cost Ott almost $7,000 in legal fees.
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Even PFOX is in on the game: http://www.pfox.org/about.htm

Thanks, Lynn, but that’s a political clipping with no dates, no mention of a specific local or state hate-crimes law, and no objective and verifiable sources.

It’s clear that things are being left out.

Why were the police involved? Are we supposed to believe that the “homosexual activist” just called them up and they hunted down Ott? Ummm not likely.

What was the disorderly conduct?

What did Ott say or do that the police considered to be threatening?

Why did Ott plea if he was completely innocent. Was his story such that it would not convince a jury (other than one comprised on anti-gay extremists)?

I searched the Wisconsin court system website (http://wcca.wicourts.gov/) for David Ott, with no mention of this. There are still a few open cases under that name, though, so there’s no info about charges, but none of them are in Dane county.

So basically they’re just pulling things out of thin air. Is anybody taking them to task for this personally??

Ok, I just now read the policy statement on the WI court system website concerning the information that they can release over the internet. If this case resulted in a restraining order against Mr. Ott, then the information won’t be in the internet database to protect the victim’s identity.

Sorry! I should have read up on this before I posted earlier.

Yeah Mike, I realize that. But the PDF is what Folger referenced. Since that is all she has and there is no attibution for the Ott story in the PDF, maybe it was nothing but a made-up filler. That was the point I thought I was getting across. But I see I deleted my sentence about the article possibly being noting but a made-up filler!

All right. Here’s my last comment on this story. For some reason, it’s really bugging me.

Janet Folger and Joan M. Garry wrote an article entitled “Symposium – opposing views on broadcast of advertisements for converting gays” way back in 1999. Check out page 3. There’s no new information in this article, but it shows that the Mr. Ott incident is not recent. If it happened at all.

Link to the State vs David P Ott court case

Here is an interesting discussion about the story on Snopes if anyone is bored. Snopes is the fact check end all and urban myth busting website FWIW.
xo queertardo

You can find a David P. Ott on the http://wcca.wicourts.gov that lists a DC for “hate crime”

Janet Folgers scare mongery about the criminalization of Christianity obvious has other agendas than protecting free speech. Her claims have found to be untrue over and over again. Take Fx the Ake Green case from Sweden. The Pentecostal pastor was acquitted, and yet they still claim he spent time in prison (which is not true). Religious freedom is granted as well as protection from hate crimes (In this case hate speech). Talking about hate speech …I have always wondered if those that make comments on Wayne Besens website realize how hateful and foul their language is? While I (and the Laws in the country where I live consider that hate speech and criminal slandering) I am sure they just consider that free speech. What a double standard!

so is the story an urban legend or not? After I heard about this incident I also went looking for verification and can’t find any. Having listened to Mormons, Hare Krishnas, Moonies and who knows who over the years, I am surprised it took this long to come up with a story about what might happen if you really annoy someone!