Jerry Falwell Dies At 73
A major figure in the Religious Right, Jerry Falwell was found unconscious in his office after breakfast this morning and was pronounced dead a few hours later at Lynchburg General Hospital. He had a recent history of heart problems.
Founder of the now defunct Moral Majority in the 1980s, Falwell was arguably one of the architects of what is now called the Religious Right in this country. He held a consistent and vocal anti-gay stance and XGW has had occasion to report on his views and actions a number of times over the years. Recently, however, he seemed to change direction a bit on equality and basic rights for gays and lesbians.
The Rev. Mel White, founder of Soulforce, was once associated with Falwell as a ghost writer among other things. He has devoted a great deal of time and effort into convincing Falwell to change his anti-gay views, as he remembered Falwell changing his anti-civil rights stance for African Americans decades before. Now we will never know how far this change of heart may have gone.
It is unknown who will replace Falwell in his ministry leadership position.
Anyone, who believes “God forbids (things) such as homosexuality,” has to either rely on the 20th Century translation of the Bible or on what some KJVO (King James Version Only) preacher or Sunday School teacher told them they have to believe.
What we call homosexuality in modern times was not in the original Hebrew and Greek versions of the Bible.
The same-gender sexual activity which is mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 and in Romans 1:27 has to do with the abomination of idolatry and the worship of pagan fertility gods and goddesses.
The KJV translators when the Hebrew text was making reference to male votaries and holy things related to the worship of the Canaanite goddess, Asherah, and her cohort, Ba’al, used “sodomite” for the translation of “kodesh.” A male votary was a “kodesh” (a “holy” person) and there was no way he could be a “sodomite” since he did his job in Canaan and not in the Sodom which was not not even in the country of Canaan. When the female votary, a “kodeshah,” is mentioned in the Hebrew Scripture, the KJV folks did not call her a “sodomitess,” they called her a “whore.”
When those same Hebrew words referred to a person doing service for YHWH Elohim, the God of the Jews, the KJV called the person a “saint.”
Anyone who has read the whole story of Sodom in Genesis and how Abraham and Lot decided that Canaan was not big enough for the both of them, one will see that Lot chose to leave Canaan on the West side of the Jordan River and moved his family, his employees, his livestock and everything he owned to the East of the Jordan River and settled in the Plain of Jordan by setting up camp just outside the city of Sodom. “The Plain of Jordan is now the Country of Jordan which is still in the same location.
I certainly agree with you John that it is entirely appropriate to reflect on public figures status upon their deaths. Its natural also to take a negative perspective when a public figure has had a negative effect on you in some way, either through their policy or just from their perceptions and public statements.
I guess where we disagree is in the appropriateness of starting any sort of remembrance of Falwell as negative. Perhaps I’m overly sentimental or old fashioned (if that’s the case I think that’s possibly the first time that descriptor could be applied to me) but I don’t believe in denigrating a man who went through his life without directly harming another human being (certainly he advocated policies ultimately harmful to the GLBT community, and certainly he held detestable positions, but I’m unaware of direct physical violence he perpetuated.)
I do apologize for intimating that you “cheered” his death though. Obviously your standards do not have to equate to mine. Personally I consider the negative reactions and attacks on a dead man to be ghoulish, but that’s simply my opinion.
Kendall:
I would say that Falwell’s (and maybe Reagan’s) reaction was typical of fundamentalists at the time – indifference, mild joy, or even smug self-righteousness. After all the gays were getting what they deserved – AIDS being the judgement of god and all. Maybe this would cause them to turn from the evil of homosexuality (a cause for rejoicing).
Falwell was also memorable for being quick to blame gays and lesbians (among others) for leading to 9/11.
At times like those, he probably revealed his true heart, not the public view of it that he carefully crafted for popular consumption.
But I am not his judge; may God have mercy on his soul.
Mary:
Hate Crimes Laws would have done nothing to prevent Falwell from spewing hatred; it covers actual violent acts, not the indirect incitement.
SharonB – That’s a very grave charge, that you feel that Reagan and Falwell felt joy at the death of fellow human beings.
SharonB,
Falwell did make statements that AIDS was God’s punishment.
Reagan did not. Ever. He was guilty of indifference and of not recognizing the seriousness of AIDS. But according to his daughter (the one who so hated his politics that she wouldn’t use his name) we did not have any animosity towards gay people. Unfortunately the writers of the TV drama The Reagans created some fictional statement from the President that made it seem as though he viewed AIDS as God’s punishment. His family and friends were appalled at the callousness of the writers and refuted their bizarre charicature – but that’s what people will remember nonetheless.
Reagan’s response was irresponsible, too litttle, too late, and woefully communicated. But it wasn’t smug, joyful, or self-righteous.
On the other hand, I do agree that Falwell was smug and self-righteous and his response to a disease that was ravaging lives was startlingly inappropriate for a man who was supposed to be following a God of compassion and caring.
Kendall, Timothy:
Use of the “or” conjunction (not “and”) for the reactions.
Reagan: indifference
Falwell: smug self-righteousness, and mild joy (not at the deaths, but at the fact that this would surely cause more homosexuals to want to be straight).
I’m not one to say a lot of negative things about the recently deceased, even if they’ve hurt me, but your statement above did take me aback.
While he didn’t do direct physical violence to people, the spiritual, emotional and psychological harm was very real. I felt personally hurt and wounded at a deep level by Falwell for a number of years, especially when I was first trying to come to terms with being gay (in the late 80s and early 90s).
In 1998, when I started thinking about going back to church again or having anything to do with God, it just nearly killed me to think I would be associating with people who agreed with Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc. I wrote the following to the first Christian I corresponded with: “In the media, all I see is people trying to fight to keep me down. I see Fred Phelps. I see Pat Robertson making outrageous jokes…jokes about my life, about who I am. I see Don Wildemon and Jerry Falwell. I see the hate more than anything and it eats me up and crushes me and keeps me down. It has kept me away from god.”
I think I’d rather be physically beaten then endure the pain of their words and the effect those words had on my life for so many years, especially since I came from a family that respected, supported, and financed these ministers and organizations.
And anyway, a physical beating would have at least been obvious to those around me, whereas the kind of psychic and emotional pain they caused is something a lot of folks are still oblivious to.
Still, all that being said, I really do wish his family well during what could be a public grieving. I just don’t want to support the idea that as long as harm isn’t physical, it’s not real or legitimate harm.
Christine – I suppose in some ways my position is mildly irrational. I don’t mean that you should never speak ill of the dead, but in general I’d observe at least a decent period (and that is a term that is deliberately vague because you just “know” when it is right) before I start being overly critical towards someone I disagree with. An exception to that rule might be Fred Phelps when he dies. I’m not sure there is much positive to be said for that particular man beyond the generic “he died believing he was correct,” but at least Fallwell was much better than THAT particular low standard.
With that said, and since it seems relevant here somehow. I thought this blog post at Reason magazine’s website (for the record I’m a subscriber to their excellent publication) was interesting, detailing reaction from some of the people with sharp disagreements with Falwell over the years. Namely, Fred Phelps, Larry Flynt and Christopher Hitchens.
Falwell: smug self-righteousness, and mild joy (not at the deaths, but at the fact that this would surely cause more homosexuals to want to be straight).
I’m more cynical about his reasons for joy (hint – $$) but because I’m still feeling charitable I’ll refrain.
IMHO, Jerry Fallwell was neither a man of God nor a Christian, he was a politician, pure and simple, who used whatever he could to gain power, money and supporters. This is a man who made a career out of slandering, defaming, and dehumanizing, not just GLBT folks, but blacks, Jews and anyone else who did not subscribe to his personal interpretation of his “bible.” What he never did, at least as far as I know, was truly model the words and behavior of the Rabbi, Jesus of Nazareth.
I read Cal Thomas’ tribute to Fallwell in today’s USA Today, and Thomas made the point that Fallwell was very fun, warm and loving around his family and friends, and compassionate to members of his congregation. And that is the whole problem with Fallwell. Rather than actually acting like Jesus, who was not particular about who he treated decently, Fallwell saved his warmer feelings only for those who agreed with him.
That same warmth and compassion was not present when he called Desmond Tutu a “phony,” or when he supported racial segregation in the US and apartheid in South Africa. It was not present when he attacked innocent gays and lesbians, as well as women who would not be subservient, or Jews who refused to convert to Christianity (remember, Fallwell said the AntiChrist was likely already among us, and was, of course, a Jewish male).
The only lasting effect Fallwell has had on this country was to create unnecessary divisions among people who should have been friends and neighbors. No matter what individual good he was able to do in any one person’s life, it is more than outweighed by the negativity and hate he promoted and nutured.
I should feel compassion for his family, I suppose, but cannot. I cannot feel anything but relief that one of the ugliest voices in American life and politics is finally silent. May his memory be consigned to the scrap heap of history.
As for those who believe we should wait until some time after his death to criticize him, I remind them of his shameful and horrifying statements after 9/11. He did not even wait for the bodies to cool or the fires to go out before he attacked, again, everyone who disagreed with him.
It is interesting reading these posts on the aftermath of Fallwell whose passing has been widely reported here in Australia as well. The compassion and fairness offered to a person who contributed to so much suffering is staggering really. Here in Sydney we have our own Fallwells , you can imagine ,and as a gay ex-( religious christian) I now see jesus as a genius social reformer who realised that the only way to create heavon on earth was for all people to live from the distingsions of love and compassion .On the other hand we can create hell from the opposite .I can’t help feeling that Jerry Fallwell was, despite all intentions , a contributer to hell. I can forgive him for that and it sounds like you all can too, but i can’t forget.
“I’d say that it is more egregious to commit murder because you intend the death. ”
I disagree. I don’t think it any less egregious to look at someone in the last stages of AIDS and think that they got what they deserved. When one sees a body covered in sores and rotting away from five different kinds of cancers and still can say that it is deserved, what does that say about that person? A serial killer at least has the excuse of being mentally ill. Mr. Fallwell did not have that excuse.
“Do you think Reagan was slow to act (and Falwell was advocating inaction) BECAUSE he wanted people dead? I don’t. I think they were slow to act because, first of all, it took time for everyone to realize the depths of the AIDS crisis. ”
Mr. Fallwell’s actions were not because it took time to realize the depths of the AIDS crisis. He actively worked towards demonizing gay people because he saw AIDS as punishment for being gay. Let’s not revise history to make it look like Fallwell did not jump upon the chance to demonize those he did not like when it was presented.
“I don’t say that to justify Reagan’s slow response nor Falwell’s advocacy, but it at least explains the difference between that and actual murder, or, for example, Hitler’s “Final Solution.”
I don’t think it does, though. I still don’t see much difference between working towards policies that you know will cause such pain and suffering and directly causing that pain and suffering yourself. In fact, I think there’s something more evil about not doing the deed yourself. If you know you never have to get your hands dirty, it becomes easier to ignore the consequences of your actions.
Jerry Falwell…Moral Majority…memories of Nixon’s Silent Majority….
I have scanned many of the above comments.
It is easier to hate if I can take a man’s life in slivers, fragments and partial sentences.
Fallwell is a man of the 50′s, escaping a very dysfunctional family as a child and commiting to a faith that demanded conformity to a diverse array of moral absolutes. A constrictive faith. Something he likely welcomed compared to the chaos and abuse of his childhood…there were rules to life, to protect the weak and the vulnerable.
Anticommunist (before and during his life over 100 million people died worldwide under communism)
Segregationist
Philanthropist
Moralist
Televangelist
University Founder
PTL ministry dismantler
Pastor
Husband
Father
Fundamentalist
Recovering Alcoholic Supporter
Unwed Mother Advocate (I think)
Believer that Family Breakdown generally bodes poorly for society.
You know how painful it is to be hated in fragments and slivers, to not be seen, heard and loved solely because of who you love.
Everyday we repeat that wound, the Devil smiles, and God cries.
At my blog and on other venues (lists, Yahoo! Answers), I spoke about the importance of not dancing on this grave. I’ve been called wimpy in other venues–even my own wife said I was being superstitious. I echo what our Australian visitor said–I am SO GLAD to see fairness and honesty without celebration in a pro-LGBT venue. Thanks to all of you.
My grandfather (maternal) was an alcoholic and extremely abusive. For over 20 years, I feared and loathed him. For the three years he spent dying of cirrhosis, he turned his life around and gave me, my mother, and my brother a few precious good memories. At his funeral, I didn’t mourn his body. I mourned that I had only gotten to see so little of the good in him, and now I would never see any more, and he had no more chance to grow and change, and our relationship didn’t, either.
In a way, I mourn that Falwell and his relationship with a large chunk of America can no longer grown and change, too.
you had to kind of give the guy some credit, he did get a lot of previously quiet gays the spirit to get up, come out,
if only to disprove his theory that gay people are horrible predatory crazies that have hair-lips and drool on their ties.
David Blakeslee wrote: Fallwell is a man of the 50’s, escaping a very dysfunctional family as a child and commiting to a faith that demanded conformity to a diverse array of moral absolutes. A constrictive faith. Something he likely welcomed compared to the chaos and abuse of his childhood…there were rules to life, to protect the weak and the vulnerable.
Oh, David Koresh, leader of the Branch Davidians religious sect at Waco, Texas came from a dysfunctional family, too.
I have to be honest and say that my initial behavior, upon finding out about his passing, was disgraceful. There was definitely a great sigh of relief upon hearing the news reports. Then I realized if it wasn’t him it would have been another. It’s not as though he is the only minister that expresses an anti GLBT agenda. Sadly, those ideas are shared by a vast majority of popular churches across the country. But on our part, it’s not a very admirable defense when the LBGT community acts out scandalously towards the church. I don’t think it helps our case when we throw fire back at them.
Also, if Tammy Faye can go onto Larry King in her poor state of health and say such nice things about a man who made her out to be his mortal and spiritual enemy, then how can I act out so poorly? This man shamed her name and helped devastate her life and still she offers him forgiveness and tribute (true Christian right there). I do not love him nor do I like him, but I will not curse the name of a dead man. Just because he has passed does not mean that any of the battles we have with the religious right have been won or done away with. We must continue to fight for what’s right and continue to demand a major change in politics and religion. Jerry Falwell passes away and what do you see, but a bunch of people wagging their tongues just as horribly as him. He will be judged. It’s not up to me.
Both Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye Bakker Messner forgave Jerry Falwell for how he treated them when they thought he as their friend. I don’t know what Jim Bakker thinks/believes about gays and lesbians.
But, Sister Tammy Faye no longer judges gays and lesbians. She genuinely uncondtionally loves them.
Their son, Jamie Charles, who now goes by Jay Bakker, told Larry King that when it become legal for gays and lesbians to get legally married in the State of New York, he would be willing to officiate at a same-sex wedding if asked to do so.
Tammy Faye deserves your thoughts and prayers since she now has cancer. It is very trying for Jay to deal with that and to continue in the Revolution Church ministry he has started in NYC.
I never hated Jerry Falwell; but, I hated the way that he treated gays and lesbians and slandered them. What he did in that regard is one of the many sins listed in Romans Chapter 1.
He has gone to a better place
amen Jon!
We who believe in Jesus will not know where Jerry Falwell went until we ourselves go to be with the LORD for eternity.
A number of Bible teachers and preachers have stated that those who don’t have a right relationship with God before they die won’t even be missed in heaven. Folks who knew each other before they died or knew about before they died will know each other in heaven.
And, those who individuals who say they will see someone in hell (when they really mean the Lake of Fire) apparently will think that they will be the only one there. Nothing is said in the Bible’s pages about people knowing each other in “hell.”
I just looked at the MySpace profile page of Josiah Torres and I see that he used very non-Christ-like language there. When a person gets salvation in Jesus the Christ, his language is supposed to show that he is saved, too. His religion listed is “Christian – Other.”
My father became saved and fully Pentecostal all on the same night. His family said it was a miracle that he stopped using cuss words and vulgar language immediately. And that was because he could no say even just a few words with out using foul language.
Oh, I use “Christian – Other” as my option for religion only because they don’t give “Believer in Christ Jesus” as an option. There is no Biblical support for one to call himself “Christian,” especially since the word only appears 3 times in all of the New Testament.
Joe,
Jerry Falwell equals David Koresh?
Yowsa.
No excuses suggested, only context, in providing a brief narrative that includes upbringing about Falwell. Religious conversion during late adolescence is common and for a variety of reasons. I think Falwell’s was in reaction against the consequences of an alcoholic home.
He was mistaken at times, overtly mean at other times, but the bulk of his life work is constructive and altruistic.
I know when I see Christ face to face, everything will be clear, and my grief will be deep for the wounds I self-righteously, thoughtlessly and callously delivered.
It is easy for me to imagine Jerry in the same predicament now with his loving Savior, sobbing and grieving, seeing more clearly how he harmed, marginalized and overlooked those with Same Sex Attraction and others.
Amen, David. Well said.
Well said, David. Well said.
I just looked at the MySpace profile page of Josiah Torres and I see that he used very non-Christ-like language there.
Joe, that’s just tacky.
Personal attacks on others based upon what language they used on their own site is really irresponsible and not appropriate for this type of site.
Timothy said:
Agreed.
What I wrote was not a personal attack against Josiah Torres, if a person claims to be a “born-again Christian” in forums such as this one and in MySpace Discussion Forum Groups, what the person posts in his online profile should not contradict what he claims to be in forums. I consider him a hypocrite. Jesus said, “By their fruits you shall know them.” Torres’ very unchristlike language in his profile which he wrote himself is a sign of rotten spiritual fruit.
I do not use filthy ungodly words in my own MySpace Profile nor in the blogs which I write connected with it. None of my “Friends” can post a comment on the home page or add a comment to any of my blog entries unless I approve it first. Besides, unless a MySpace Member’s Profile is set to adults only or to “private,” there is not supposed to be anything vulgar posted on the member’s homepage, in the blogs, or in the picture albums.
Joe, how is this much different than those who say that gays cannot possibly be Christians because what they do is unGodly, and that our “fruit” (i.e., homosexual relationships) shows that gays are not “born again.”
I know a lot of Christian people (many straight) who swear and this is just kind of crazy and out of the blue.
I think there was much more in the Bible about judging others than there is about swear words.
Joe Allen Doty,
It is entirely inappropriate to be judging a fellow commenter’s spiritual condition and we will not tolerate it. Please also refrain from any more statements that begin with “There is no Biblical support for…” or similar. Constantly placing your interpretations of scripture front and center is also inappropriate here, and very annoying. You may call yourself whatever you like, but your reasons for doing so are not necessarily Holy Writ for the rest of us.
Edit: I should probably qualify my second request concerning Biblical interpretation. To say that one doesn’t see Biblical support for hatred of another, for example, is one thing. But using personal interpretation to criticize another commenter or, by repetition and emphasis, judge something as trivial as their use of the term Christian over Believer, is over the line here. The fact that such incidents are so rare would seem to indicate that most commenters are instinctively aware that this is not part of civil debate.
Now that we’ve all completely strayed from the main topic, I’d like to say a couple of things as well.
First, thanks to all of you that wrote in response to Joe Allen Doty’s opinions, views, and perceptions of religion and people.
Joe, by no means do I go as far as to claim that I am a born-again “perfect” or “good” Christian. Actually I’d much rather refer to myself in that aspect as a “Non-Practicing Christian”. Religion and spirituality is a very personal part of my life. So when my intentions regarding such are questioned, like many others, it sadly urges me to stray even further from referring to myself in any way as a Christian.
Also, by no means did I include a link to my MySpace page so that people on this forum could research my day to day life style and interactions. It was merely made available to people here so that if what I have to say intrigues them, they have a way of contacting me and getting to know me on a personal level. Mainly to continue dialogues that were started here and discuss them further. It saddens me that you used information on my personal webpage to question my integrity and slander my spiritual “health” and “fruit”.
I have to agree whole heartedly with Christine’s response. She stated “how is this much different than those who say that gays cannot possibly be Christians because what they do is ungodly, and that our ‘fruit’ (i.e., homosexual relationships) shows that gays are not ‘born again’.” Exactly what I had in mind once I read his posting. Not that I agree with the opinions of Christians that say homosexuality is a sin, but it sounds like the same thing. It’s coming from the same place. So in turn, I would go as far as to say that you sir are a hypocrite. That said, what have we solved other than exchange of a bunch of labeling and name calling. This is disturbing at the least!
In closing I’d like to ask that from now on you can refrain from straying off topic and no longer target me with your negative idealistic opinions of what a ‘real’ Christian should be, act or sound like. In my opinion, since you’ve voiced yours, I believe that using curse words is probably the least harmful of the many horrible sinful things going on in the world that people do on a day to day basis (rape, murder, incest, war).
One more thing before I go. I’d like to express my respect for your father. Sounds like an amazing man! You stated “My father became saved and fully Pentecostal all on the same night. His family said it was a miracle that he stopped using cuss words and vulgar language immediately. And that was because he could no say even just a few words with out using foul language.” That’s a lot of will power. Admirable to say the least.
So, how about that Jerry Falwell?
Hi Josiah…mommy here. I think the fact that you thought out (in a Christian sort of way) the fact, first and foremost that you will not speak ill of someone who can no longer debate nor defend his intention or theories, thoughts or beliefs. His end is complete and now, judgment. I applaud you at such a young age for thinking more clearly than a lot of “bashers” as he bashed…they should not lower themselves to the level of something abhor. However, in my humble opinion, I was appauled at his his statements and how he handled PTL with regard to people that made errors, regardless of how grave. The fact that he didn’t just “praise God” in every detail of his life, and the fact that he died a rich man abounding in his Christianity and political infiltration, as far as his strongly state, almost hatefully stated, views and concerns about homosexuality being the reason for 911 attacks, left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I believe in Jesus….I believe he was the son of God and that he will return. He is the Messiah…however, I also believe that he was kind. He was loving. The story of Mary Magdalene speaks for itself. His healing power, his charisma and his compassionate nature won the souls and hearts of multitudes within a short three year span of his “works”. It never ceases to amaze me that, whether other people’s lifestyles are right or wrong, or in accordance with the bible, that they are unable to be the loving people that Jesus was teaching us to be in order to get his message accross.
Gays can have all the rights they want except marriage. Also, I don’t need you teaching my kids about gayness. Keep your gay literature out of our schools. I will teach my kids respect and tolerance through my actions. I have gay friends and my children will respect and embrace them as I do. Gay is not natural but it needs to be respected and accepted in society. This is a larger topic of teaching our entire society about equality and tolerance, not about teaching and recruiting our children into the gay lifestyle and your radical agenda. Gay/trans is one of the social ills of capitalism.
OOOOOKKKKKKKK! We could go down the list of ways gay people do not have the same rights (such as the ability to serve one’s country). Marriage is treated as a privilege in our society, but it is also an unfair system. By not allowing gays to marriage, you actually hurt marriage as an institution. For example, read this article out today about a man paying alimony even though his wife is in a relationship: http://www.latimes.com/la-me-gaywed22jul22,0,315735.story?coll=la-home-center. If it was marriage, this could not happen. No one is teaching your children about gayness, and your odd friend/social ill commentary is just strange. I think this might be a troll.
Matt, perhaps you might e-mail all of your gay friends the comments you wrote above and ask them over for dinner to discuss your thoughts? (I’m serious; it might be an interesting discussion.)
Ahoy Matt!:
* You sentence gays to a lifetime of non marriage.
* You think gays are teaching kids about gayness.
* You believe there are gay literature in schools.
* You assume gays are recruiting children into the gay lifestyle.
* You commented gays have an agenda.
Are you sure you would be teaching your kids tolerance?
How about this:
* There are more straight divorce cases than gay marriages.
* MTV is teaching kids 24 hours a day how to live a promiscuous straight life.
* There are graphic romance novels available in schools.
* Kids are being recruited into criminal gangs everyday.
* Straights do not want gays to have a life in their agenda.
If being gay or being transgendered is one of the social ills of capitalism, then accept that being straight is its major incurable disease.
It is off topic, but I would like Matt to read this carefully and ponder:
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=6222§ionID=12
Matt –
A few questions to pose before I begin:
*Who and what, are you speaking in regards to anything specific from recent postings?
*What set you off on this “tangent”?
*Who recently brought up anything regarding Gay marriage and why start arguing about it here and now, especially in this blog?
*You’re making it seem like there is gay adult themed reading material being made available for young students in their school libraries. What kind of school are you sending your kids too?!
*In reference to your statement “I don’t need “you teaching my kids about gayness”, who exactly is the “you” that’s being referred to? And how are they trying to teach your kids about “gayness”?
*What Gay person in their right mind would befriend or understand you and your twisted logic and judgmental antics?
*Since you love blogging and voicing your opinions so much, perhaps you wouldn’t mind to elaborate on the statement you made. The one that went something to the tune of “Gay/trans being one of the social ills of capitalism”! Do your so called “friends” the ones that you “accept” know that because their gay you believe that they are both NOT NORMAL and ILL? Since your such a good friend maybe you could be the one to drive them to the hospital to get this “problem” treated and taken care of. I’d say, just put them to sleep. “Let the sick dog die” as they say, or is it “let the dead dog lye”, either way take care of it, rather in hindsight, DON’T!
Okay, so I thought I’d have more to say once I finished posing my questions, but perhaps I’ve said quite enough. I’m tired of paying attention to myself, how bout y’all? If this topic is going to continue, perhaps we should focus on writing blogs only relative to the subject at hand. Good idea everyone? I think so! Right then!
How bout that Jerry Falwell!
He was a hoot!