Guy Adams recently spoke with Stacy L. Harp on her podcast, The Right View. Incredibly, during the interview he claimed that the new trend among gays is to have sex with infants! He offered no source for this preposterous, disgusting claim and Mrs. Harp did not inquire further. The entire interview was littered with a generous dose of half-truths and baseless claims. The following examples are from JoeBrummer.com:
- Gays have sex with infants (He says its “The New trend”)
- Gays have sex with animals (yuck)
- Gay relationships only last about a year and 1/2 (and that came from what study? cause every gay couple I am friends with has been together at least 8 years or more)
- Gays have 200 to 300 partners in their lifetime (really? Where do they find time to do drugs, take over the schools and destroy marriage? Wow, they are busy)
- Gays have made no contribution to society (except AIDS) (Elton John is crushed)
- He says Dr. John Diggs in the foremost medical authority on AIDS. (not true its Ken Meyer from Boston, Diggs is a quack refuted in detail)
- Quote: “There are not alot of really good gays”
- Says we are working towards hate speech laws (first amendment 101 anyone?)
Some of this is standard rhetoric but the statement about sex with infants places Guy Adams, and due to her glib acceptance of it Stacy Harp, in the role of a true hate monger. There is no redeeming that comment, and only God knows what can be done to salvage these messengers of hate and bigotry.
As nauseating as it is, I encourage you listen to the entire clip. Like a cross burning or being asked to ride in the back of the bus, some things must be experienced to punctuate the reality of what we are facing, to steel our resolve.
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Guy is a law enforcement officer? Scary. Let’s go down the list:
I have never had sex with infants or animals, and I find that disgusting. I even turned in someone who I found out was a pediphile.
My relationship has been going on for 14 years.
I really feel out of the loop because I feel sexually inadequate since I am not up to the average given (at least it is not the 1000-2000 that used to be bandied around).
I am a college professor, but I guess I am not contributing to society because I am too busy having sex.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t even support hate crimes laws (but I understand why people would).
According to Guy, I am not living up to my gay potential, and I feel terrible.
I also love how he says gays only have one thing in common: being gay. Well yeah! Christians have one thing: they worship Christ. Cancer survivors: they survive cancer. African-Americans: being African-American. Star Tek fans: Star Trek. I could go on and on. Lots of groups have one thing in common.
Wow! I am listening to the whole thing and he actually says Fred Phelps has love for homosexuals.
I don’t know why, but I feel very, very sad. I thought I’d be really pissed.
Maybe I will be later when I need it.
I’m calling Stacy up.
I know why I feel sad. This white suburban matron is pontificating with a man on gay lives.
As IF they know everything. Considering their own references, they’ve only learned things from other anti gay straights, or ex gays finally giving into the STRAIGHT agenda to eliminate gay behavior (so therefore gay people) from their consciousness.
It was like listening to segregationists discuss what black people were up to during the civil rights era.
And yes, segregationists were preoccupied with black sex lives too.
Especially that.
I doubt if Ms. Harp or Guy Adams EVER heard segregationists or Jim Crow supporters talk, and if they would find similarities in their diatribe.
I can’t stand it when people sit around talk like that!
How does this Guy Adams KNOW so much about what went on at this maze he was talking about?
I can’t believe that I want to cry.
And their support of Alan Keyes. A man who divorced his first wife (infidelity broke them up) and never mentions his former wife and children with her.
A man who threw his virginal gay daughter to the street (yeah, that’s showing the love) and didn’t even LIVE in Illinois.
I see the press on Alan Keyes’s family break up was thin.
But Barack Obama is a liar of such a degree that Mr. Adams just couldn’t STAND him?!
And how dare Ms. Harp complain that their isn’t enough press on the Goodridges. So there is a conspiracy there too?
As if the war, the economy and illegal aliens aren’t enough to preoccupy the larger outlets?
These two were talking out of two sides of their faces.
“Oh we don’t hate the gays, no, what we do is showing them love. It’s not about them, but their behavior!”
Well, when gay people behave like concerned parents, and citizens and colleagues…well, they don’t like that either.
There’s no good gay people, unless they behave like STRAIGHT people, hunh?
Here’s a man who says he’s a police officer. And he’s more concerned with what a gay man might have worn that’s objectionable, than I’m sure the domestic and gang violence as rife through Chicago as through LA on any given day.
There is no police officer worth his job in this country that would say that gay men and women are the real menace to society.
If this man is going to spew impossible myths, than he can’t even qualify behavior correctly.
What a putz.
And that’s being nice.
He’s no judge of character and obviously reading Scripture hasn’t helped.
I think Alan Keyes and this man have one thing in common too.
Being pompous, hypocritical asses of no service to anyone except their own fantasies.
Can I get a witness?
Okay, NOW I’m PISSED!!!
I just left a message for Stacy to call me.
She’s a marriage and family counselor.
Ye gods….
Actually, I believe he said sex with infants is a new trend with gays in CHICAGO. Whew, at least that leaves the rest of us off the hook.
Honestly, that was one of the worst commentaries on homosexuality I’ve ever heard. Stacy should be ashamed and I truly hope she responds to the objections raised here.
In light of this, there needs to be a concerted effort to strip Guy Adams of his badge. He has no business working in a job that involves being sworn to protect every law-abiding person, BFL!
Amen, Jayelle! You go Regan.
They are just trying to love us back into the concentration camp. I feel the love.
not.
This is making the Boadiccea part of me rise up.
The Christian Nationalists are going to call us intolerant and Guy Adams will whine about the evil gays taking his job away, probably on the 700 Club and all, but you know what? TO HELL WITH THEM, NO PUN INTENDED!!!
Anyone with half a brain and some real compassion will *know* what the problem is!!!!
Guy Adam’s comments just make him look like a clown. I suspect most people hearing something like this would think it only something a fool believes and the unbalanced repeats. Is there anything too outrageous for people like him to say? Probably not and fortunately that means few will take this unrestrained hatemonger seriously.
Unfortunately, as a law enforcement officer, he has a real and serious effect on real lives.
Randy said:
I suspect most people hearing something like this would think it only something a fool believes and the unbalanced repeats.
I would like to think that is true Randi, but how many times have you seen “The Gay Manifesto” printed on anti-gay sites (Google lists over 12,000, mostly anti-gay) as though it were a serious document and not the satire it was written as? If someone could take that thing seriously, it’s not a stretch to imagine them believing what Guy said. It’s sad precisely because it is possible.
Guy Adams is only trying to carry out his father’s desire
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208:44;&version=31;
Randi darling, how you doing sister-friend?
((((HUG))))
:0P
Wow! Did anyone catch Guy’s rebuttal?
He is even more outrageous the second time. Two things that they have built into the argument to make them criticism proof,
One, the fact that gays would be angry about such comments and comment on them is hateful. Since Guy has the higher moral ground, it is inappropriate.
Two, gay people only commented on certain aspects. So the uncommented issues must be true: such as the idea of a maze in a bathhouse (as someone who has never been in a bathhouse, I could never comment on that–I suspect that is true of many gay people).
Guy says they are not dehumanizing gays but at one point he says “the gay” as if gay people are an object.
Two
Number 1 – she may be the most amateurish interviewer I have ever heard – I think the DJs on my college radio station did better on the BS Sunday morning “news” programs we used to fill time.
Number 2 – this program simply demonstrates again the willfull misuse of information, and outright lies (38% of gays have AIDS??? 50% of gays will have AIDS in a few years???Not according to the CDC, I don’t think) by those in the pro-family movement. The books they reference (and it’s all one, big cross-referential loop with them, isn’t it) and the heroes they worship all paint gays with the same horrible, stereotyped brush, and they buy it hook, line and sinker.
Number 3 – I will say again that the thing that bothers me most about the “evangelical” church and the “pro-family” movement is their sense of moral superiority. Their version of “Christianity,” their opinions of who is “good” and who is “bad,” their point of view is the only one that could ever be true or right.
If there is one thing you can say about everyone who regularly posts to this site is that we have all spent a lot of time considering the possibility that we may be wrong – that our sexuality may be an illness or a problem to be fixed. I highly doubt that Stacey and Guy have ever really considered the possiblity that they could be wrong – and the enormous damage they are doing by spreading the inneudo and slander that Guy presented, and Stacey seconded, on that program.
The full conversation from the rebuttle Stacy and Guy Adams posted can be found here…..I have transcribed it and added some commentary.
http://www.joebrummer.com/Harp-Adams.htm
Thanks for the hug Regan. I’m getting by, I go see my sweety in a couple of days so that’ll be a big help.
CPT_Doom said:
I highly doubt that Stacey and Guy have ever really considered the possiblity that they could be wrong – and the enormous damage they are doing by spreading the inneudo and slander that Guy presented, and Stacey seconded, on that program.
Excellent point and I agree. This is one reason why scripture is often used to do terrible things; not because God wants it, but because a person or group of people can’t see that they are twisting scripture fit their own hate. It is one thing to bring anger toward God for righteousness sake, and quite another to bring it on because of our own sin in His name. It doesn’t even occur to Guy Adams or Stacy Harp that God sees right through their deceptive words even more thoroughly than we do.
Now we have gone through a second segment and aren’t any closer to holding Guy accountable for what surely even he must know is a horrible lie. And Stacy is equally guilty for letting him say something so vile without anything approaching proof. If you are not interested in the truth Stacy, just what is your goal? I know it is judgmental, but I can’t imagine God having anything to do with such people. “Brood of vipers” fits them like a glove and it is that same justified anger that I feel now.
As for bath houses, I don’t know anyone who would care if they were all gone tomorrow. The same goes for (heterosexual) “message parlors” or whatever one calls them. These things are not gay or straight problems, they are human problems. But oh isn’t it fun to hold them up to minimize an entire community for your own satisfaction. Do you seriously think most gay people ever go into a bath house? Do you go to orgies? Do you hire prostitutes? Don’t all straight people do that?
It boils down to this Mr. Adams (and now Stacy). It would be horrendously irresponsible of me to do an interview tomorrow and say that “the new trend in protestant daycare is to sexually assault the babies while the families worship.” And would it be any less irresponsible for me to base this on “something some gay activist told me in Atlanta.” And would I not be correct to assume that such a bold faced lie would follow me, compromising any future effort (and rightly so)?
David, I had never thought of the massage parlors in terms of comparison to bath houses. You are so right. The difference is that massage parlors are essentially straight prostitution places. Both my spouse and I have never been to a bath house, and we have zero interest. It also seems like a remnent of the past.
A massage parlor story (if you are sensitive, please don’t read on). There is a massage parlor next to my post office. It is raided about four times a year, and the women are brought out in handcuffs. It is actually a wonder because they come back and can start again. I think the police raid as example, but that is it. One day I am in the post office and the owner of the parlor comes in screaming and upset. There are about ten people in the post office at the time watching this. The woman is screaming for someone to call the police, which makes no sense since I am sure they have a phone. She screams that the man she was giving a massage to asked for full on sex. She was upset because she was a married woman. Then she lets out a crazy statement: “Hand jobs is the only thing I do.” This is in front of a crowd. Anyhow, thanks David for the comparison.
This is outrageous. Sex with infants and animals? This is on the level with “Jews eat babies”.
Boy oh boy. Just listened to Guy’s response to the criticisms. How can someone be so blind to their own hatred?
So in his clarification (and I agree with Joe that it made the situation worse), Adams stated that 30% of gay men have HIV. Perhaps that’s a starting point for Stacy to correct Adams’ misinformation (using reliable health statistics) and apologize to her audience.
Over at Pam’s House Blend someone noted that the charge of sex with babies was really a new version of the ancient anti-Jewish libel, the Blood Libel.
This is a desperate but frightening development.
What get’s me is that other conservative Christian organizations have not risen up to condemn such speech.
There seems to be a real underside to Christianity
that needs outsiders (be they Jews or gays) in order to make sense of itself as a world view. This is not representative of all Christians but these dangerous types of Christians seem never to ever really go away.
Puddy Katz said:
“There seems to be a real underside to Christianity that needs outsiders (be they Jews or gays) in order to make sense of itself as a world view. This is not representative of all Christians but these dangerous types of Christians seem never to ever really go away.”
John Dean said something to this effect in his new book, CONSERVATIVES WITHOUT CONSCIENCE. This is a trait of modern authoritarian conservatism, being defined by what you oppose. It’s frustrating when dealing with the semi-reasonable folks, but this combined with the religious wackery of people like Guy Adams and Stacy Harp, it becomes downright frightening.
There are some great comments and observations here. Some I hadn’t thought of or I would have questioned them more.
Stacy Harp has posted an apology on her website for any harm she may have caused the gay community. She admits she was wrong.
I think that takes guts!
Hmmmm…. does it count as an apology when she continues to make Adams’ diatribes available on her site?
I am having trouble finding this apology. Can someone present the link to it?
Puddy, here ’tis:
http://stacyharp.blogspot.com/2006/08/my-apologies.html
Her attempt to defend Adams’ remarks kind of undermine her attempt at an apology. I mean, he made a truly outrageous accusion, and the fact that she believed him at all is offensive enough. (Assuming that, as he claims, he heard someone say this at the Gay Games, didn’t it occur to him at all that the person who said it might have been facetious?) I can’t think of any reason, other than encouraging hatred of homosexuals, to accuse them of the worst crime imaginable.
“When I found out that his source was a few people at the gay games in Chicago I realized that that was not sufficient evidence to support his claim, so all of you who are telling me this, I want you to know that I wholeheartedly agree and I offer my sincerest apologies for not making sure he had the evidence – in valid research form – to back up the comment.
At the same time, I think it is important to make sure everyone understands that Guy said it was a growing trend with a small group of homosexuals. Contrary to what many of you have said, he nor I said this was something the whole gay community was doing.”
Sorry, Joe, but I disagree. That is NOT an apology; that is an excuse and a false justification. “I’m sorry I spead this horrible lie, but let me repeat it again and claim that it’s still partly true”.
No. It’s not true at all. There is no trend of having sex with infants. Regardless of what “a few people at the gay games” said (LeBarbera and Hartline, perhaps) it’s still a lie. Perhaps some sick individuals are having sex with infants, but there is no “group” or “trend”. It’s a horrible horrible evil dispicable lie.
There was no apology for lying and saying horrific things, just an apology for not having “sufficient evidence” to support her disgusting accusation. And then to claim that they hadn’t “said this was something the whole gay community was doing”?
Oh, Stacy?
“It’s not enough that they have…you know when you engage in perversion, and homosexuality is perversion, we don’t hate the gays mind you, we don’t hate them, we hate what they’re doing…pretty soon that perversion is like addiction, it’s not enough, so you need to graduate to something else. You need to move on. So now they’re having sex with animals, a small group that’s getting bigger, sex with infants, sex in the street in Chicago out in the open, it’s just getting more and more perverted.”
Just who is the “they” you’re talking about here, Stacy?
You didn’t say it was a small group “getting more and more perverted”.
Joe may be fooled into thinking about Stacy that “at heart she is a good person”, but good people don’t do or say what Stacy does and says. Of the abundance of her heart, her mouth speaketh.
Stacy was completely ready to believe that gay people are having sex with infants. Why? I would never believe that about anyone unless I completely hated them.
I don’t say this about many people, but I believe at heart Stacy Harp is an evil person.
After reading these comments are ddo I agree that Stacy’s apology was bot really good enough.
I appreciate her attempt, but agree with Timothy. I have change my recent blog post about the apology.
wow, talk about bad typing skills for me….
Well put, Timothy.
Agree completely with Timothy — that was a excuse, not an apology.
But have to disagree that she’s an evil person.
No Timothy, she’s an ill person. A sociopath.
(Controlled anger. Inflated and distorted sense of self. Devoid of real sense of right and wrong. Without empathy to others. Can appear charming to those regarded as an extension of oneself.)
Agree completely with Timothy — that was a excuse, not an apology.
But have to disagree that she’s an evil person.
No Timothy, she’s an ill person. A sociopath.
I’m going to completely disagree with you grantdale, because labeling her a sociopath eliminates any need for the rest of us to take responsibility for her actions and her attitudes.
And why should we, the GLBT community, not to mention our straight allies, have any reason to take responsibility for Stacy’s actions?
Because she is a human being, and her actions and her attitudes exhibit, IMHO, not sociopathology, but human frailty. We are built, as humans, to consider ourselves more important, more deserving of resources than anyone else. It is a basic function of survival, and evolutionarily bred in us from time immemorial. Of course, being human, we don’t merely place higher value on ourselves, but also on our blood relatives, our close friends (our “tribe” if you will) and anyone else we deem the “same” as us. Those who are “others,” of course, no matter how defined, are inferior, subhuman, unworthy of consideration.
Is this not how Stacy sees gay people? With sympathy, to be sure, but a sympathy born of her utter confidence that she is right, and can judge and evaluate all our lives (negatively, of course) with complete accuracy. This is not sociopathology, because, I truly believe, it is not without empathy or understanding. Rather, it is a misguided sense of sympathy or empathy based on stereotypes and slanders, inneuendos and lies that are easy for Stacy to believe because they reinforce her position(s).
To label Stacy a sociopath is to deny that all of us are capable of putting on the same type of blinders, although defined with a different set of beliefs. Unless we admit and constantly watch out for this basic human frailty, we can never overcome it, so in my opinion, Stacy is being completely human, nonetheless completely wrong, in her bigotry.
We’d agree completely with that sentiment CPT — we also come from a perspective of being “my brother’s keeper”. So we’re not brushing anything off and walking away. Far from it, and don’t you to imagine that is the case.
It’s the basis reason we will not use “evil doers” etc — as if the World has suddenly been overrun by Satan’s minions, instead of having among us those who have emerged from a conflicted environment and somewhow lost their empathy for others in the process.
(The same process is at work on Wall Street too… and boy does that place churn out some sociopaths!)
By removing the religious overtones of evil, we think this does move discussion back to proper place: the responsibility that others and that individual have about their behaviour and attitudes about others. All of us. It the same reasoning behind why we don’t credit the gods for the experience and skill of the hospital surgeons. Benny Hinn makes our work all that much harder… 🙂
So agree completely that we all have responsibility, and that what you describe are basic human attributes. But there is a point those attributes tip over the line — for whatever reason, or emerging from whatever history — and you’re quite right to make the points clearer.
Whatever. What to do about “it” is the question.
Hmmm…. Stacy’s blog doesn’t seem to be accessible today.
Bathouses?
Pffuff…
How about STRIP CLUBS?
Every single neighborhood I ever lived in had ALL NUDE strip clubs on a corner or on the middle of the block.
Large billboards advertise “gentlemen’s clubs” EVERYWHERE.
Some are not in industrial park areas, but occupy prime enterprise zones the way dance and music clubs do.
The parking lots of these clubs are constantly littered with detritus from sex and drug use.
There are assaults on the women or fights break out over women all the time.
In fact, there was a fatal stabbing from a fight that started in the House of Blues on Sunset Blvd. That spilled out into the parking lot.
Three people altogether were stabbed.
I’m no longer working for LAPD, but I can tell you we went out on sexual assault calls a lot, and the victims were young teen girls who’d hooked up with grown men on the internet, or girls who’d been assaulted by guys from school, their neighborhood…or a friend of the family.
Strip clubs are the biggest fronts for sex.
The backs of local news weeklies are rife with ads for sex clubs, dominatrix and private strippers.
Didn’t a certain NC, la crosse team get in hot water from a home delivered stripper?
Acting like gay guys are the only ones engaged is so stupid.
Any women that buy that are even worse.
Straight guys got it all over gay people, when it comes to vice.
Straight guys make the laws and are responsible for whether they are enforced or not.
Usually NOT.
Women have had a bitch of a time getting laws passed that doesn’t favor their assailants.
What I didn’t see with my own eyes, WOMEN cops have a lot to say about the issue.
It’s a good thing more women ARE involved in law enforcement.
This Adams guy is an embarrassment to his badge for being so damn ignorant.
See why straight guys get a pass when it comes to sex crimes and vice?
With Adams on the case, do you feel our children are safe?
It’s occurred to me that sometimes people like Guy Adams speak about gay people as if gay people confess and confide in them truthfully.
If someone like this Adams person could take sarcasm or facetiousness seriously, he’s very weak when it comes to reading people.
Why WOULD anyone gay talk to him about important things?
About deeply personal things?
Or even about their private activity to someone like Adams?
And then, Adams goes and BLABS it all over the internet and on public broadcast that he was told information.
How and why would he even ASK about anything so prurient?
Either way, his interest is strange. What he’d believe coming from anyone is strange.
That he’d be this interested or prurient is strange.
He’s SUCH a sucker if he REALLY thinks a gay (or anyone) person would tell him that gay men are looking to have sex with infants in all seriousness.
Should a cop be this much of a blabbermouthed sucker?
He’s bad enough as anti gay.
As a man in law enforcement…yikes
Adams claims that he heard about this trend at the Gay Games in Chicago from a couple former homosexuals and the mother of a lesbian.
Which would seem to me to mean that he heard this pack of lies at LaBarbera’s outreach to the bathhouse.