Today’s guest is Jerry Leach, a former pre-op MTF transsexual.
Translation: He was about to have gender reassignment surgery but decided not to and now goes around peddling his comical ideas about gender conformity to others.
In my excerpt Jerry shares with us how “the stereotypical male homosexual will engage in at some point” the wearing of clothing of the opposite gender and various other whacky deviations of that.
Stephen: Jerry let’s take a moment to talk about cross-dressing for those who may not understand it. Is there a connection between cross-dressing and homosexuality. Tell me and the listeners what cross-dressing is really all about.
Jerry: Well cross dressing is something that the stereotypical male homosexual will engage in at some point. I’ve worked with the homosexual since 89. I’ve been a part of Exodus International since then. And in a great number of stories the men will have experimented with clothing of the opposite gender but really the thing they’re looking for is the connection with a man, a sexual connection and it’s more plausible to have a sexual connection in your own thinking with a male if you are then maybe magically turned into a female. So cross dressing is a very common thing, I mean not necessarily a full blown display of it but maybe wearing mom’s high heels and liking that or some article of clothing that identifies. I’ve talked with a number of homosexual guys who in their early childhood put towels over their head to symbolize long hair or a bath towel around their waist to symbolize a skirt in their own imagination but that’s usually abandoned fairly early on because the male is yet the mystery in their lives. The female is not a mystery so much because the stereotypical home of the guy who’s having same sex attractions is that he has spent a lot of time with mom and really understands mom and her world but feels good enough about himself as a boy and a guy, a male, that he’s still trying to find out what males are all about.
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If you want to see just how wacked out Jerry Leach is, check out this page from his website:
http://www.realityresources.com/obsession.htm
I listened to the whole broadcast, and his understanding of transgender people is strictly through his own experience and personal filters. More than half of my m2f transgender friends who are in relationships are with “genetic girls,” or are with another transgender person. The book True Selves reports the about the same same numbers on m2f sexuality.My “add comment” would be that ex-transsexual (and ex-transgender) people are lumped in ex-gay people because many religeous right people can’t tell effeminate gay men and male-to-female transsexuals apart. It’s not that there aren’t differences — it’s just they can’t perceive the differences. And, these same RR folk don’t seem to even comprehend that female-to-male transsexuals exist, and they’re estimated these days to be about 40 to 50 % of the transsexual population.
Thanks for the link, Boo.
This quote from the site re: Leach’s ‘credentials’ caught my eye:
“Jerry’s main credentials for addressing these matters at all is derived, not by some academic title, but by the gut-wrenching “school of hard-knocks!” And the many years of intensive therapy he himself has gone through, as well as the unnumbered seminars, written and taped resources, group-therapy sessions; as well as … just the arduous, long and hard work of recovery. He has truly “been there up to his plucked eyebrows” … and done that!””
So, in other words, he has no credentials for claiming expertise on the complexities of human sexuality.
NOTE: For 10 years Jerry Leach was executive director of Crossover Ministries in Lexington, Kentucky – the same Exodus ministry Felissa Fryrear sought out for help in 1992. Her testimony speaks of seeking out the director of Crossover in 1992 a week after repenting of her lesbianism. Based on Leach’s website info, it seems clear that he was director at that time and therefore was the person who mentored Fryrear as she became ex-gay.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Thanks Boo — been awhile since I checked in on dear ol’ Jerry.Big news though — apparently neither grant or dale are homosexuals. Who’d thunk??? That’s going to make things a bit awkward though, what with being a gay couple who aren’t homosexual and all…We’re also not ts. Yep, failed that check list too. Phew. :)(Falling back on my bad Latin here: if exgays are homosexuals that live as heterosexuals… and we are (says Jerry) heterosexuals living as homosexuals… does that make us ingays? Cool, I have a new self-label!)
Wait, what? His evidence for cross-dressing is wearing “a bath towel around their waist”?
Damn, everybody in my dorm must be a cross-dressing homosexual, then.
At no time, in none of this exchange with JF, can whatever gender identity or change a person goes through, what does that have to do with professional competence or social integration and
being a bad person?
Or how are we to treat people who are trans?
I would rather respect and care for someone trans and be confident that our laws will treat this group with all due respect shown to every other group of people in this country.
It is a good country to live in that understands this in it’s laws and practices.
And as I’ve asked before:
Of all those disorders that are STILL in the DSM or more nuanced conditions that instead of making a person dangerous, make them simply annoying, do the RR use as a socio/political tool for isolation and bans from family, marriage and child bearing?
Leach doesn’t understand that it is the HEIGHT of arrogance to assume that everyone else in the world is just like him.
So the therapy for transsexualism – a Real Life Test – living in the actual role of the opposite sex for at least 1 year, showed him that he was ~not~ a transsexual. That is a success of the test! It is wrong of him to assume that no one else is transsexual because he is not transsexual.
He is just another kapo parroting the political ex-gay line in order to earn a living!
And, all of the professional ex-gays I have spoken with really do not understand what transsexuality is. Their only tool is a hammer, and everything, to them, is a nail.
“a former pre-op MTF transsexual”
No these people are just making up titles. How can you be former, pre-op & transsexual?
I also love his “Transsexual Fighters” group. Sounds like a rock band.
Can someone tell me who “the homosexual” is that Mr. Former Tranny keeps going on about?